Stargate to be rebooted with movie. FINALLY! From the original creator Roland Emmerich

[Overmind One]

So how big are Brad Wright's feet? After all, you shine his shoes, don't you?

OMG, Im loving this thread....everybody please give Chevron Atlantis some love...he got massive Rep from me for creating this thread, which I will be promoting to a blog article this afternoon when I leave the office.

Most of the buzz regarding this whole Stargate reboot is getting negative commentary, because many fans want the Stargate from the SG-1 universe of BW, and not from the movie. There are some whining for the completion of SGU (), and others for Atlantis. Somebody even wanted to make a spinoff series with Ronon the Runner, and his adventures. But still many want to see the continuation of the original Stargate movie (like me).

SG-1, Atlantis and SGU are soooo over. Emmerich is not going to go to any of those wells when he does his movie, and for me that is a good thing.

 

[Gatefan1976]

I concede the argument. I mean, far be it for me to tangle with someone who clearly owns the complete SG DVD set, replete with SGU. ;P

No, only the pilot of SGU. They have been running SGU here on syfy though, so I watched an ep and still found it entirely cringeworthy.

 

[Gatefan1976]

BINGO. Specifically, Season 6.

The Prometheus did not come into service until episode 20, where it promptly screwed up.

 

[Overmind One]

Yup. Rewatch the series. He offered a lot of insight into Goa'uld tech. If I hand you a box with buttons, it'll be much quicker for you to reverse engineer it if I tell you what pressing certain buttons do rather than you having at it alone with no reference or idea what it does as you'll know what effects to expect and backtrack the internals searching for the source of these effects. Reverse engineering software from machine code (assembly) is very similar.




Humans, exploring extra-terrestrial worls, acquiring alien tech, making alliances, reverse engineering and retro-fitting, blah blah blah. Honestly, dude, it's just the natural, human progression of acquiring advanced technology with instructions and schematics in many instances. SG didn't happen in real-time, every episode isn't "the next day" and, foremost, it's fiction, dude.

Sure, maybe they copied the bridge configuration with the captain's chair and helm from Trek, the same configuration found in several other sci-fi productions, such as Starship Troopers. The beams, hyperspace travel, teleportation, etc are as inherent to scifi as apple pie is to America. I honestly doubt they sat down and said, "Hey! Star Trek has phasers so let's copy that!". They ripped off just about every mainstream scifi production out there. You see more Trek, I see some Trek, not "Trekgate".




I'd also love to see where Emmerich wanted to take the franchise. However, we didn't and we won't and we were left with enough ambiguity from the movie for the SG series to fill in those blanks almost seamlessly.

This I agree with completely. Brad and Glassener found all those blanks and filled them all in. The issue I have with that is the WAY they filled them in. How does a snakelike parasite create Goa'uld technology, even inside a host? Why would such a creature evolve? Why would Goa'uld larvae require a human host to gestate? And the entire Ancients thing turned me completely off. They were nothing but glorified ghosts. They appeared in SG-1 just about when paranormal stuff was becoming popular in reality shows. And then the Ori, and in Atlantis it was the Wraith who came along about when vampires were all the rage.

What the f*** is wrong with STARGATES? Lets dump all the shit Brad tacked on, and get back to the stargate.
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The Prometheus did not come into service until episode 20, where it promptly screwed up.

It should not have come into service AT ALL.
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No, only the pilot of SGU. They have been running SGU here on syfy though, so I watched an ep and still found it entirely cringeworthy.

SGU still SUCKS, I made it though about the first 15 minutes. Poor Jack...he should feel like a cheap whore the way he was used in SGU.

 

[Bluce Ree]

The spirit of trek, Roddenberry' idea of Trek.

I get that. Enterprise should have been about the dawn of human interstellar exploration and the beginnings of the Federation. It got lost on the way, especially with the whole secret Xindi mission. Those hand phasers sometimes seemed more powerful than the phaser rifles in TNG.

 

[Bluce Ree]

This I agree with completely. Brad and Glassener found all those blanks and filled them all in. The issue I have with that is the WAY they filled them in. How does a snakelike parasite create Goa'uld technology, even inside a host? Why would such a creature evolve? Why would Goa'uld larvae require a human host to gestate? And the entire Ancients thing turned me completely off. They were nothing but glorified ghosts. They appeared in SG-1 just about when paranormal stuff was becoming popular in reality shows. And then the Ori, and in Atlantis it was the Wraith who came along about when vampires were all the rage.

Goa'uld pass on knowledge through to their offspring through their genes. They also stole all the tech they acquired and evolved it. They never created or invented anything, if you recall.

I liked the Ancients until they became mystical ascended beings. We could have done without the whole ascended ancients thing.

What the f*** is wrong with STARGATES? Lets dump all the shit Bradd tacked on, and get back to the stargate.

The Stargates were always there, right to the end. It's not like they were using those ships with complete abandon. At least, not until the Ori and that's where I feel the entire series went to shit with space battles and a stupid premise.
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Don't forget that the tech they were acquiring all along was to defend against a possible Goa'uld attack. Sure, Earth was under Asgard protection but that kind of flew out the window when they were occupied with their own problems, like the replicators, and when the Goa'uld used loopholes, like nudging an asteroid into Earth's path.

What's the point of all this space exploration using stargates if nothing comes of it? You'd need some sort of conflict, a base premise other than "let's go there and have an adventure". If they got lost and were trying to get home, that's something, but they had teams going on missions with objectives. A show that just throws people through a wormhole every week with no reason or purpose would have sucked by season 3.

 

[Gatefan1976]

It should not have come into service AT ALL.

Why not?
Cause Trek has spaceships??
I would be MORE pissed off if they DIDN'T start building their own ships.
Come on bro, do you expect them to hitch a ride with the Tok'ra every time they need a lift to somewhere without a gate or the gate is heavily fortified??
It's like you are expecting them NOT to develop/RE tech, and that doesn't even happen in the real world.

SGU still SUCKS, I made it though about the first 15 minutes. Poor Jack...he should feel like a cheap whore the way he was used in SGU.

I didn't mind Air 1 and 2, but 3 blew. I had high hopes for SGU, hopes that were dashed on the hard reality of lack of skill and understanding by the writers.
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Goa'uld pass on knowledge through to their offspring through their genes. They also stole all the tech they acquired and evolved it. They never created or invented anything, if you recall.

I liked the Ancients until they became mystical ascended beings. We could have done without the whole ascended ancients thing.

BLOODY Q RIPOFF!!! SEE ITS ALL TREK!!!

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[YJ02]

You do, complete with staff weapons and retracting head gear.

You notice how in later seasons of sg1 they stopped using the retracing headgear-or any at all, with the glowing eyes? They had Teal'c get suited up in one when he infiltrated a ship in like S5 or 6-then that was it.

Too technical a prop for SciFi

Sure


Sure, but just cause a person is a twat, does not ean they don't have SOME good idea's

Are you kidding me??
In the movie the, the whole thing was backed by General West, and as soon as the civvies worked out how to use the gate, O'neil took over. The only reason why they took Jackson was to get home!!
Methinks you need a rewatch brother


Not enough time to refute all that.
1: I dunno, not been in the military.
2: 2 ll's was still badass, but he hid it with humor.
3: No, the thrust of SG-1 was exploration, not the Jaffa and their freedom.
4: I don't know many "made up" system lord names, they are all pretty "Historic", but yeah, keeping to Egyptian would have been better (or possibly Meso-American as well)
5: I can't say how much I disagree with you here dude. To explore the galaxy, and expect tech not to advance is far more ludicrous IMHO. Oh, I get the trek-gate being annoying, but 5 years bro!!
6: replicators are boring, mindless "evil" always is. HFR were at least interesting till they got overplayed.
7: Meh, why not? "greys" have been a icon for thousands of years, so yeah, why not?
8: Do you hate Q, the Douwd, The Organian's?
9: The movie NEVER said that Ra made the gate, if he could, why come by ship?
10: Meh.

Sure!

To follow you and OM1-without enumeration - on a couple of things:

The movie was good, almost 'extremely good', but it didn't have a lot of "there" to make a series out of that would be interesting enough to have staying power with the fans. So I can understand why Wright et al made the changes they did and I am sure they had to 'kowtow' to the demands of studio and SHOWTIME/SCIFI hacks.

As to "smart people" in the military..I get what you are saying OM1 about scientific types being a lacking presence in the military. There are/have been some-usually junior officers who used ROTC to get their education funded. Most leave after their 6 yrs, but some stay-HOWEVER-there is no "science branch/corp" so these officers get "branched" into something needed in the mili.

Most of the "smart" comes in the non scientific realm. I know from experience-and you should remember-that it is not just "Do that because I told you" that makes a good leader, officer or enlisted, some knowledge and ability, learned or innate in the "humanities area (I only use the college classifier of the area)" is required.

Can one be an effective platoon sgt just by grunting orders? Yes, but without the ability to present the mission, ask for input and then make a decision, you will not be a leader that lasts very long.

And then there is the ongoing "up teching" of the military. I think that about the only jobs left in the military that haven't been assaulted with tech is cook and laundry and bath specialist ( "you got 2 jobs private-laundry and bath!" ) Even today's basic "leg" infantryman is walking around with thousands of dollars of sophisticated targeting, positioning and communications gear on him. You can't be your avg bonehead and learn these jobs-it is no longer just pointing and shooting a weapon alone (a whole other discussion for a whole other thread and yet another reason why a draft wouldn't work).

BUT yes, there are no "Sam Carters" doing things as she did.

And that whole bit about O'Neill and his team knowing how to fly ("ever pull g's in an F16 or a simulator?") is bunk. They are special operators in the USAF, not pilots. They are the USAF's infantry type elite-not dime a dozen pilots. I could buy Jack flying the what was it, the F302? As it was an intuitive using alien tech craft and it didn't fly like a typical jet-but him flying F15's and stuff? Don't think so. Other shows do this too, where they show mili doctors or lawyers going into combat or driving a tank-pure silliness.

IMO, both the movie and the series took liberties with the military aspect. IMO, SG1 has probably been one of the better examples of treating and respecting actual mili standards, customs and courtesies-at least as much as studio execs would probably allow (though I will never forget SG1, S1E1 where Oneill is being brought back to the mountain and in the elevator, they have a uniformed-in 'class a's" usaf guy. He is wearing both the rank of major and,I think tech sgt-just something that doesn't go away-GLARING mistake)

 

[Overmind One]

Well, it is finally happening: Stargate is going to get a set of new movies from none other than its original creator, Roland Emmerich! This is exciting news for Stargate fans...or is it? A brief Google search on "Stargate reboot" will lead you to much joy or much angst over this new project. For fans of Stargate, this issue is between the canon of the original movie and the creations of Jonathan Glassener and Brad Wright (Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis and Stargate Universe). Brad Wright and Jonathan Glassener took Stargate in a direction which did not agree with the direction Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich wanted to take it. According to the Stargate Wiki, neither of the creators consider SG-1 to be a valid continuation of the movie. And Brad Wright was really not open to any further input from the creators. He quipped "Devlin can wish to do a sequel to Stargate all he wants. MGM owns the rights, and I doubt very much that they'll ask him to do it. He knows better." That all changed when the disastrous fail of Stargate Universe forced cancellation in only one year. The show ran out it's episodes after cancellation. But by then, Stargate had a historic run of television shows running for almost 16 years. Stargate SG-1 ran for 10 years and also produced two full length movies (The Ark of Truth and Continuum). Then there was Stargate Atlantis which was a spinoff from SG-1 which ran for 5 years. Stargate Universe's massive fail alienated its original audience, even though it picked up a few new fans. The fans of Stargate Universe are a different crowd than the original fanbase, and if ratings were any indication, they numbered only about 1 million viewers as opposed to the 5 or 6 million for the other two shows. The tone was different, and the stargate took a back seat to drama and serialized interpersonal relationships. But enough about the history of the television series.

Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin announced their plans to make new Stargate movies way back in the San Diego Comic Con of 2006. Here it is 7 years later and we are going to get the movies after all. But more than likely, the duo wont be taking any cues from the television series, discarding those 16 years of canon created by Wright and Glassener. This is the source of either angst or joy among the fans. Many want more of the SG-1 universe of the TV series (SG-1, Atlantis or SGU). Many want the Stargate saga to continue where the movie left off. Count me in with the latter, but I think I am in the minority. In either case, Stargate is returning in movie form. Lets hear what you think!

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[Overmind One]

You notice how in later seasons of sg1 they stopped using the retracing headgear-or any at all, with the glowing eyes? They had Teal'c get suited up in one when he infiltrated a ship in like S5 or 6-then that was it.

Too technical a prop for SciFi

IIRC, the retracting headgear was done with CGI, although there was the retracted version as well. The headgear was a real prop.

To follow you and OM1-without enumeration - on a couple of things:

The movie was good, almost 'extremely good', but it didn't have a lot of "there" to make a series out of that would be interesting enough to have staying power with the fans. So I can understand why Wright et al made the changes they did and I am sure they had to 'kowtow' to the demands of studio and SHOWTIME/SCIFI hacks.

I agree here. There was not a lot of "meat" to cut for a series, and Brad and the others did a great job of it until about Season 6 when the ships took it off course.

As to "smart people" in the military..I get what you are saying OM1 about scientific types being a lacking presence in the military. There are/have been some-usually junior officers who used ROTC to get their education funded. Most leave after their 6 yrs, but some stay-HOWEVER-there is no "science branch/corp" so these officers get "branched" into something needed in the mili.

Yep, but as we both know, the military is more than happy to bankroll civilian research that they can grab later. It works quite well, and was the case with the Manhattan Project, the ICBM program (run by what later became NASA), and even Microsoft whose software runs most of the military and ancillary services like at the Pentagon and the NSA and the IRS. Civilians will be "embedded" when necessary. Not even the highest officer level (5 star general) or even the President makes enough money to attract top tech talent.

Most of the "smart" comes in the non scientific realm. I know from experience-and you should remember-that it is not just "Do that because I told you" that makes a good leader, officer or enlisted, some knowledge and ability, learned or innate in the "humanities area (I only use the college classifier of the area)" is required.

Can one be an effective platoon sgt just by grunting orders? Yes, but without the ability to present the mission, ask for input and then make a decision, you will not be a leader that lasts very long.

And then there is the ongoing "up teching" of the military. I think that about the only jobs left in the military that haven't been assaulted with tech is cook and laundry and bath specialist ( "you got 2 jobs private-laundry and bath!" ) Even today's basic "leg" infantryman is walking around with thousands of dollars of sophisticated targeting, positioning and communications gear on him. You can't be your avg bonehead and learn these jobs-it is no longer just pointing and shooting a weapon alone (a whole other discussion for a whole other thread and yet another reason why a draft wouldn't work).

BUT yes, there are no "Sam Carters" doing things as she did.

Well put, and I agree completely.

And that whole bit about O'Neill and his team knowing how to fly ("ever pull g's in an F16 or a simulator?") is bunk. They are special operators in the USAF, not pilots. They are the USAF's infantry type elite-not dime a dozen pilots. I could buy Jack flying the what was it, the F302? As it was an intuitive using alien tech craft and it didn't fly like a typical jet-but him flying F15's and stuff? Don't think so. Other shows do this too, where they show mili doctors or lawyers going into combat or driving a tank-pure silliness.

This is very important. The MAJORITY of the USAF is not pilots, its ground personnel and special forces. Its drone pilots and flight coordinators on the decks of airstrips and aircraft carriers, as well as Operations. Like in the Marines and the Army and Navy, pilots are not combat trained to the degree that Jack portrays.

IMO, both the movie and the series took liberties with the military aspect. IMO, SG1 has probably been one of the better examples of treating and respecting actual mili standards, customs and courtesies-at least as much as studio execs would probably allow (though I will never forget SG1, S1E1 where Oneill is being brought back to the mountain and in the elevator, they have a uniformed-in 'class a's" usaf guy. He is wearing both the rank of major and,I think tech sgt-just something that doesn't go away-GLARING mistake)

There was lots of that. And in SGU, the absence of ANY military consultation was obvious. It was completely in a different dimension.

 

[shavedape]

The Stargates were always there, right to the end. It's not like they were using those ships with complete abandon. At least, not until the Ori and that's where I feel the entire series went to shit with space battles and a stupid premise.

 

[Gatefan1976]

 

[Bluce Ree]

Not fair. You know I love cats!

 

[Gatefan1976]

Not fair. You know I love cats!

You lunge, for the clunge

 

[shavedape]

 

[Overmind One]

 

[shavedape]

Not fair. You know I love cats!

 

[Gatefan1976]

Yes OM and Shaved, we get you HATE Brad Wright, now, put your collective knobs away or someone will have to put the "sleeping gloves" back on.

 

[Gatefan1976]

 

[shavedape]

Yes OM and Shaved, we get you HATE Brad Wright, now, put your collective knobs away or someone will have to put the "sleeping gloves" back on.

If we hate BW then the opposite must be true, so that leaves just one question: Does he bring the Barry White CD with him or do you have it playing before he even gets there, ya know, to set the mood?