Terra Nova

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
I cant get past step one. (from the Wikipedia site for the show)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Nova_(TV_series)



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Travel back to the Cretaceous, but the past timeline is separate from the current one and does not affect the future of the timeline they came from? Wouldnt that eliminate their existence altogether because their parents never existed? How could the earth become uninhabitable because of "poor air quality and overpopulation"? Sounds like it is made for the Prius/Global Warming/Vegan/Vanilla-scented candles crowd. And the scenes fro this last episode look so contrived. Worse than SGU? Probably!

You've hit on the central problem with the show, the fact that it makes no sense because it's a completely different timeline/universe that they are in. What they do in that timeline wouldn't affect anything in their old future (weird choice of words there, LOL!). The gaps in logic can't be ignored forever but so far the writers haven't seen fit to clarify anything about the time aspects of the show.

No matter though as I predict it's not gonna last long. It's simply too production heavy and isn't sustainable budget-wise. At least the show isn't good enough that we'll be sad when it does get the axe.
 

Overmind One

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You've hit on the central problem with the show, the fact that it makes no sense because it's a completely different timeline/universe that they are in. What they do in that timeline wouldn't affect anything in their old future (weird choice of words there, LOL!). The gaps in logic can't be ignored forever but so far the writers haven't seen fit to clarify anything about the time aspects of the show.

No matter though as I predict it's not gonna last long. It's simply too production heavy and isn't sustainable budget-wise. At least the show isn't good enough that we'll be sad when it does get the axe.

It just doesnt make any sense to me. I cant get into it if the premise doesnt make sense. Thats the reason I hated Stargate Universe. The Ancient ship which was sent off into the void made no sense and they made it worse by not saying it was in the Atlantis database. Why would these refugees not look for a whole new planet instead of risking Earth's future with a timeline jump????
 

Joelist

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I think they came up with the alternate timeline to try to answer the causality problems (like causing yourself to never be born). But they also went back before the ELE that removed the dinosaurs so that is an "issue" for them too. And yes the premise reeks of the whole AGW/Prius crowd. Basically this show is about on the SGU level of logic and storytelling only with a bit more action.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
It just doesnt make any sense to me. I cant get into it if the premise doesnt make sense. Thats the reason I hated Stargate Universe. The Ancient ship which was sent off into the void made no sense and they made it worse by not saying it was in the Atlantis database. Why would these refugees not look for a whole new planet instead of risking Earth's future with a timeline jump????

Right, and that's the truly annoying aspect of this show (and SGU), they never explain the basic premise logically. They just tell us that this family goes millions of years back in time then instead of answering questions about how and why they focus on the problems of the kids. Angry teenage son is angry. Nerdy teenage daughter is nerdy. Precocious little girl is precocious. :roll:

God forbid they tell us more about the crack in time they traveled thru and what the point was of going there in the first place. Why do the bad guys back in the original timeline/universe want to control this one from afar? Why don't they just go to the new universe and live there??? None of it makes sense and drawing out the explanation is incredibly stupid because viewers get fatigued and give up long before the answers come.
 

SciphonicStranger

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I think they came up with the alternate timeline to try to answer the causality problems (like causing yourself to never be born). But they also went back before the ELE that removed the dinosaurs so that is an "issue" for them too. And yes the premise reeks of the whole AGW/Prius crowd. Basically this show is about on the SGU level of logic and storytelling only with a bit more action.

The whole "man destroyed the earth" premise in the pilot really made me blanch at first. I'm really not sure why I kept watching this show - maybe just for the dinos? :P
 

Overmind One

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The whole "man destroyed the earth" premise in the pilot really made me blanch at first. I'm really not sure why I kept watching this show - maybe just for the dinos? :P

Somebody thinks that the combo of dinosaurs and family values makes for a great science fiction family show. Its totally LAME.
 

Overmind One

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Right, and that's the truly annoying aspect of this show (and SGU), they never explain the basic premise logically. They just tell us that this family goes millions of years back in time then instead of answering questions about how and why they focus on the problems of the kids. Angry teenage son is angry. Nerdy teenage daughter is nerdy. Precocious little girl is precocious. :roll:

God forbid they tell us more about the crack in time they traveled thru and what the point was of going there in the first place. Why do the bad guys back in the original timeline/universe want to control this one from afar? Why don't they just go to the new universe and live there??? None of it makes sense and drawing out the explanation is incredibly stupid because viewers get fatigued and give up long before the answers come.

It makes no sense to me. I cant get into the premise at all. The idea of going back to the Cretaceous to survive environmental disaster is ridiculous to me.
 

Overmind One

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Right, and that's the truly annoying aspect of this show (and SGU), they never explain the basic premise logically. They just tell us that this family goes millions of years back in time then instead of answering questions about how and why they focus on the problems of the kids. Angry teenage son is angry. Nerdy teenage daughter is nerdy. Precocious little girl is precocious. <img src="http://www.gatefans.net/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="" title="Icon Rolleyes" smilieid="151" class="inlineimg" border="0"> <br>
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God forbid they tell us more about the crack in time they traveled thru and what the point was of going there in the first place. Why do the bad guys back in the original timeline/universe want to control this one from afar? Why don't they just go to the new universe and live there??? None of it makes sense and drawing out the explanation is incredibly stupid because viewers get fatigued and give up long before the answers come.

It makes no sense to me. I cant get into the premise at all. The idea of going back to the Cretaceous to survive environmental disaster is ridiculous to me. I mean, humans mess up the environment so bad that we have to go back in time to the time of the dinosaurs to survive it? And THESE people? My intellectual spam filter is going nuts on this show.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
It makes no sense to me. I cant get into the premise at all. The idea of going back to the Cretaceous to survive environmental disaster is ridiculous to me. I mean, humans mess up the environment so bad that we have to go back in time to the time of the dinosaurs to survive it? And THESE people? My intellectual spam filter is going nuts on this show.

"intellectual spam filter" gets you some green, :D I've got to remember that one.

What gets me most is the cynicism of the producers (creators) who think that logical details don't matter as much as the melodrama. It's actually insulting and that's the death knell for all of these shows.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
The whole "man destroyed the earth" premise in the pilot really made me blanch at first. I'm really not sure why I kept watching this show - maybe just for the dinos? :P

That's the reason right there, and there's nothing wrong with that. We tune into these shows to see the dinosaurs and the aliens and the zombies because those are the fascinating elements. Drama can be had on any channel on TV but these specific elements cannot. Obviously since we're talking about TV shows which have a lot of time to fill they need to show interpersonal drama in relation to those specific genre elements. But the problem infecting all these productions now is that they emphasize the drama (which we can get anywhere, yawn) over the elements that draw us in in the first place.

Shows like The Walking Dead try to head off any criticism of the drama by claiming that the show is about humans living out their lives with the zombie aspect as the background, but not the main focus. That's fraudulent as the creators damn well know people only tune in for the zombie aspect. Same with Terra Nova and the dinosaur aspect. Same with all these shows. It's a con game that viewers are wise to now. The demise of SGU proves that people had woken up to the fact that they were being scammed.
 

SciphonicStranger

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That's the reason right there, and there's nothing wrong with that. We tune into these shows to see the dinosaurs and the aliens and the zombies because those are the fascinating elements. Drama can be had on any channel on TV but these specific elements cannot. Obviously since we're talking about TV shows which have a lot of time to fill they need to show interpersonal drama in relation to those specific genre elements. But the problem infecting all these productions now is that they emphasize the drama (which we can get anywhere, yawn) over the elements that draw us in in the first place.

Shows like The Walking Dead try to head off any criticism of the drama by claiming that the show is about humans living out their lives with the zombie aspect as the background, but not the main focus. That's fraudulent as the creators damn well know people only tune in for the zombie aspect. Same with Terra Nova and the dinosaur aspect. Same with all these shows. It's a con game that viewers are wise to now. The demise of SGU proves that people had woken up to the fact that they were being scammed.

I feel sort of shallow now. :P

:lol:
 

SciphonicStranger

Objects may be closer than they appear
Just now? :P

LOL, I'm sure most members here picked up on that months ago. ;)

Just give me the damn aliens, dinos, and zombies dammit! :P
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
It just doesnt make any sense to me. I cant get into it if the premise doesnt make sense. Thats the reason I hated Stargate Universe. The Ancient ship which was sent off into the void made no sense and they made it worse by not saying it was in the Atlantis database. Why would these refugees not look for a whole new planet instead of risking Earth's future with a timeline jump????

I doubt a jump back 65 million years would have any noticeable repercussions today.

65 million years ago -------------> <<< **BOOM!** Big ass asteroid destroys most life >>> --------> Today

That huge extinction level event between then and now would be enough to wipe away almost any possible paradox other than, perhaps, finding some human fossils. The writers should have considered that before coming up with this "alternate universe" bs.
 

Overmind One

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I doubt a jump back 65 million years would have any noticeable repercussions today.

65 million years ago -------------> <<< **BOOM!** Big ass asteroid destroys most life >>> --------> Today

That huge extinction level event between then and now would be enough to wipe away almost any possible paradox other than, perhaps, finding some human fossils. The writers should have considered that before coming up with this "alternate universe" bs.

It reeks of "Let's just get some damned dinosaurs into the show. Do it any way you can" to me. Primeval did it for me but not this time.

shavedape said:
What gets me most is the cynicism of the producers (creators) who think that logical details don't matter as much as the melodrama. It's actually insulting and that's the death knell for all of these shows.

EXACTLY. The writers have underestimated ht audience (thinks its dumber than it is), and the audience is not as pliant as the writers would like, which means that they might reject the dumb show anyway. Terra Nova is in a worse positio0n than The Walking Dead or Falling Skies because its opening premise is lame. Im hoping they quietly discontinue this show. But I am still waiting for Falling Skies to return!
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
Intellectual Spam filter for the win!!!

The whole "man destroyed the earth" premise in the pilot really made me blanch at first. I'm really not sure why I kept watching this show - maybe just for the dinos? :P

Of course the dinos....I want to see them dine on the annoying kids! :P

Somebody thinks that the combo of dinosaurs and family values makes for a great science fiction family show. Its totally LAME.

Same level of brilliance that cancelled SGA and gave us the poo! :facepalm: It doesn' matter if it is a different channel- it's all groupthink all the time in the entertainment industry! :P

It makes no sense to me. I cant get into the premise at all. The idea of going back to the Cretaceous to survive environmental disaster is ridiculous to me. I mean, humans mess up the environment so bad that we have to go back in time to the time of the dinosaurs to survive it? And THESE people? My intellectual spam filter is going nuts on this show.

LOL like the dinosaurs wouldn't hasten these people's deaths? Agree with the ape on "intellectual spam " filter! ;)

That's the reason right there, and there's nothing wrong with that. We tune into these shows to see the dinosaurs and the aliens and the zombies because those are the fascinating elements. Drama can be had on any channel on TV but these specific elements cannot. Obviously since we're talking about TV shows which have a lot of time to fill they need to show interpersonal drama in relation to those specific genre elements. But the problem infecting all these productions now is that they emphasize the drama (which we can get anywhere, yawn) over the elements that draw us in in the first place.

Shows like The Walking Dead try to head off any criticism of the drama by claiming that the show is about humans living out their lives with the zombie aspect as the background, but not the main focus. That's fraudulent as the creators damn well know people only tune in for the zombie aspect. Same with Terra Nova and the dinosaur aspect. Same with all these shows. It's a con game that viewers are wise to now. The demise of SGU proves that people had woken up to the fact that they were being scammed.

Damn well said! :thoranime12::thoranime12::thoranime12:
It reeks of "Let's just get some damned dinosaurs into the show. Do it any way you can" to me. Primeval did it for me but not this time.



EXACTLY. The writers have underestimated ht audience (thinks its dumber than it is), and the audience is not as pliant as the writers would like, which means that they might reject the dumb show anyway. Terra Nova is in a worse positio0n than The Walking Dead or Falling Skies because its opening premise is lame. Im hoping they quietly discontinue this show. But I am still waiting for Falling Skies to return!

the entertainment industry thinks we all are as vacuous and empty-headed as they are! :P one idea takes off and suddenly it's cloned everywhere! which is one reason we are stuck with reality shows (the other being they are very cheap! :P), now redoing old shows is all the rage. the new hawaii five-O isn't bad but i have heard the charlie's angels was horrible. I hear the munsters is coming back next ...will grandpa sparkle ? :rolleyes: they don't have an original idea left I swear! :P
 

Joelist

What ship is this?
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What they should have done is had Terra Nova be about humankinds first extraterrestrial colony. no dinos that way but you can create dino-ish alien creatures. Then tone down the soap and tell us more about the new earth.
 

Overmind One

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That's the reason right there, and there's nothing wrong with that. We tune into these shows to see the dinosaurs and the aliens and the zombies because those are the fascinating elements. Drama can be had on any channel on TV but these specific elements cannot. Obviously since we're talking about TV shows which have a lot of time to fill they need to show interpersonal drama in relation to those specific genre elements. But the problem infecting all these productions now is that they emphasize the drama (which we can get anywhere, yawn) over the elements that draw us in in the first place.

Shows like The Walking Dead try to head off any criticism of the drama by claiming that the show is about humans living out their lives with the zombie aspect as the background, but not the main focus. That's fraudulent as the creators damn well know people only tune in for the zombie aspect. Same with Terra Nova and the dinosaur aspect. Same with all these shows. It's a con game that viewers are wise to now. The demise of SGU proves that people had woken up to the fact that they were being scammed.

This is BRILLIANT!

The "younger, dumber" audience is still a holy grail they want and its just not going to work. The brain gets bored easily when it is being subjected to vapid, repetitive tasks or images or sounds. Anybody who owns fish and is around the tank daily can tell you that they can "no longer hear it" unless they think about it or it is turned off. The brain's "intellectual spam filter" is just a decriptive way to say it. :) We all have this filter, but for most of us it is operating in standard mode (unattended). I have mine in advanced mode, with the cynicism sensitivity up a couple of ticks. Too many false starts, misleading trailers and promosing press releases, followed by the same old garbage wrapped in a different package. Just like you said.

We tune into these shows to see the dinosaurs and the aliens and the zombies because those are the fascinating elements. Drama can be had on any channel on TV but these specific elements cannot.

If the "fascinating elements" are the trademark of any show, why not serve us HUGE dollops of it every week without the soap? I think maybe it also has to do with the writers themselves. How can they write good science fiction or fantasy or horror if they are overshadowed by the drama writers? Perhaps there is an unseen hierarchy which takes truly good ideas and then runs them through writing teams, and along the way they pick up morals, politics, fads, trends, product placements, etc. What comes out of that is the garbage they are releasing these days. Trying to be all things to all people and ending up being a two-headed freak that appeals to nobody.

The Andromeda Strain of 2008 was a PERFECT example. The original of 1971 was such pure science fiction (MUCH more science than fiction), it could have been classified as a dramatic factual documentary. It was a dramatic portrayal of an actual biohazard protocol and a "theoretical" biolab which could contain or deal with the alien microbe scenario. The actual military and other official entities get credits in the movie. But then the 2008 version had several additional layers of lame drama, relationships, betrayals, and a sinister plot behind the solution. LAME. They ruined it. But they used the "fascinating element" of the original movie to draw people in.

People only allow a bait and switch once or twice before they arent so dumb anymore.
 

Joelist

What ship is this?
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Overmind is pretty much on point here. The stuff gets all muddled with nonsense and the result is not very good.

Have you seen 28 Days Later? It is a good example of a film that stays focused on point. It is light on the science detail because it is a plague from the point of view of a couple of ordinary people. But it is effective. For that matter so is I Am Legend (especially with the original ending).
 

Overmind One

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Overmind is pretty much on point here. The stuff gets all muddled with nonsense and the result is not very good.

Have you seen 28 Days Later? It is a good example of a film that stays focused on point. It is light on the science detail because it is a plague from the point of view of a couple of ordinary people. But it is effective. For that matter so is I Am Legend (especially with the original ending).

I have not seen that. Is it on Netflix? If so, I would be willing to do a rewatch with you on it.
 
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