Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
No, I stand corrected on that. It's the one-niners. I got confused by you noting it as 19ers (nineteeners). They're called the one-niners in SOA as well. They're just referred to as "niners" for short.
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No, I stand corrected on that. It's the one-niners. I got confused by you noting it as 19ers (nineteeners). They're called the one-niners in SOA as well. They're just referred to as "niners" for short.
OMNI
My avatar speaks for itself.
you are confusing him with me same as everything else youve said in here seems born of confusion.So when you 2 disagree it is "playfully friendly" but if I say something you don't like I am a hater or ignorant or stupid or a bitch or what the fuck ever?
And no actually, most of the stuff in the Army is pretty cut and dry. Civilians think they know more then what actually goes on; what they claim to know is usually outdated, over hyped,or fluffed out to make a good story.
All I am saying is that SHIELD showed a mainstream element of society-the police. The cops depicted did some bad shit-based off of the rampart precinct scandals.
SOA is depicting a fringe and deviant (by the actual def. of deviant) element of society where the characters are trying to be the good guys ("we can protect Charming better then the cops can") and the bad guys. If there is a real situation like this in Cali (I am so glad they set this show there and not in some stereotypical redneck state) then someone needs to get their shit in gear and annihilate the fucks.
"outlaw" gangs of any type are the same as any militia that does illicit or illegal shit. Militias are fringe and deviant as well. The police are not-though they do have 'deviants' within their ranks
I really don't see what is so hard to understand in the diff between org's with legal authority-the police and those with illicit "authority"-MC's, gangs, militias
As far as criticizing the show, well the "round a round" can be a bitch hey? Some of the style of language you are using to defend this show is similar to what I used to defend why I liked BSG-and got shit on for.
So easy man, don't get your DEPENDS in a wad.:jaded:
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
yongjin02 said:
Bluce Ree said:How's life in Wholesome, USA working for you?
Are you really that oblivious to organized crime? OMNI put it in persepctive really well when he said that the main difference between SOA and the real life world of criminal organizations like the MC are the overdone drama and the frequency of major shit happening.
Just because the Gambino Family isn't harassing you in Wholesome, USA doesn't mean they don't exist or that they're just going about their business as good samaritans and law-abiding citizens. If organized crime was so blatant and in your face they wouldn't be so good at what they do and operating with near impunity for so long.
It's not unusual for criminal organizations and/or its members to protect their own territories. It's called "don't shit where you eat". I'm sure you've heard the saying that the safest neighborhood is the one where a prominent mob boss is your neighbor. Like OMNI said, it doesn't happen that frequently in real life.
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Who's asking you to leave?
I want to put something here.
we are ALL intelligent people on this forum, but there are very different ways we deal with people here, or how we even respond to them. There should be a modicum of decorum floating around somewhere in the open threads, even if we disagree. Go nuts in the appropriate sections.
Before that gets seen as me "siding" with OM or Bluce, or OMNI, let me say that I am not, I am trying to speak to all.
Call me a wishy washy pussy all you want guys, I don't care.
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Bluce Ree
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OMNI
My avatar speaks for itself.
whaaa? when did this turn into a who VS who? dude i sling insults at people left and right i thought that was a well known FACT by now, however i wouldnt sling it if i didnt expect to get some back or was unable to deal with a responce equally or even more nasty, we are all adults here no? and i dont see anyone running to their mommies needing their diapers to be changed.
fuck do i care anyway you all are just figments of my imagination! now do as your told bend over and drop YO PANTS bitches!
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
*places the eye of MOD-dor on OMNI*
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
As usual, you miss my fucking point and play at being the "bad boy in leather"
Take your gimp mask off bitch.
I said keep it to the appropriate sections.
OMNI
My avatar speaks for itself.
sauron
now mom off and go mom your mom dude!
aye but no where in this current discussion have i crossed the line, chat is a diffrent story unrelated to this thread topic.
now mom off and go mom your mom dude!
Gatefan1976
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YJ02
Well Known GateFan
Huh? When did I ever say anything even remotely like that to you?
Scandals. Are you POSITIVE you watched The Shield and not some fluffed up wholesome clone broadcast on ABC? The Shield depicted a lot of stuff but "scandals" would be too mild a word to describe anything that went on in that precinct.
How's life in Wholesome, USA working for you?
Are you really that oblivious to organized crime? OMNI put it in persepctive really well when he said that the main difference between SOA and the real life world of criminal organizations like the MC are the overdone drama and the frequency of major shit happening.
Just because the Gambino Family isn't harassing you in Wholesome, USA doesn't mean they don't exist or that they're just going about their business as good samaritans and law-abiding citizens. If organized crime was so blatant and in your face they wouldn't be so good at what they do and operating with near impunity for so long.
It's not unusual for criminal organizations and/or its members to protect their own territories. It's called "don't shit where you eat". I'm sure you've heard the saying that the safest neighborhood is the one where a prominent mob boss is your neighbor. Like OMNI said, it doesn't happen that frequently in real life.
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Who's asking you to leave?
Yeah stuff up here in "wholesome USA" is going far better then
There are very few "MC" gangs in the state-there are a hell of a lot of private citizens who ride Harleys, etc-there is even a Harley factory in PA.
The "WARLOCKS" of Philly are the most notorious.
There are even a few arfican american "harley enthusiast" clubs in Philly. many have been implicated in crime but very few have been tried or convicted. When you are in Philly-mostly NE and center city and see then cruising they dress and ride exactly like you see in SOA, when you see their faces you then see they are Afro American--but that crap is a long ways from here.
Never saw the "attraction" to motorcylces, to me they are little more then a nuisance. but that is just one man's opinion of course
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"My use of "scandal" is not in direct ref to the SHIELD show, but rather the real life incidents it was inspired by:
"In 2002, the television series The Shield premiered, depicting a band of rogue Los Angeles police officers. The program was so directly inspired by the Rampart Scandal that "Rampart" was nearly used as the series title.[22] The title was presumably changed in order to avoid potential production issues and conflicts with the LAPD."
FROM--THE REAL LIFE "18TH st" gang was probably inspiration for the "19ers" and the presence of MS 13 and the battles with the mexican gangs most likely inspired the plot themese of the los mags fighting the Salvadoran gangs. Read about the different cops involved--a cop who robbed a bank even had the last name of "Mack" (Mackey)
THE SHIELD obv took alot of inspiration of real world stuff. Just saying if SOA is based on something similar then Cali has some serious freaking issues.
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Just started Season 3. I do admit, at least the plot is getting a bit more interesting. they all aren't "cluster f$cking around" laying down cliches and what not. Seems TPTB's got there stride about s2 ep 10/11 (when Gemma kills Zoebells daughter,etc) (which reminds me, Zoebelle uses the term "19ers" as well though it is clear by this point that every other character is saying "9ers")
And besides! "Lem" (Curtis Johnson) is in the show now...hope they make use of him as a regular-bring him in like they did the Happy character.
Now at the ep when they are getting ready to bury half sack--I am hoping TPTB at least gets this part right and give him the veterans funeral such a person is entitled to. As a disabled vet of foreign war, he is entitled to a full burial with a military honor guard. (Wonder if Clay was making Sack kick up a share of his VA disability payments? Losing a nut is a pretty big payout-though I don't expect any Hollywood type to even get close to finding that out)
On the military-finally got a close up of Clays vest a few eps back-for a long time it looked like he was wearing "master blaster jump wings with combat jump star (would of been hard to earn in Nam)". every time i saw it i wanted to drive to the set and rip that off of Pearlman's chest. That shit is earned and shouldn't be used a gangland prop. But I now see that it is some skull and winged thing that is similar to the master blaster.
So I took a big breath and settled down....
You see? I am watching every ep--no FF no skipping.
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YJ02
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So, now on S4...
Glad they offed the ATF chic-she was quite a tiresome and over the top (needlessly-pointlessly). Didn't see why it was at all necessary to have her suddenly become a lesbian-she could have just as easily framed a subordinate male atf agent as well--guess they did the lesbo thing for the 'thrill' effect.
Glad they got done with the whole "watch us in Ireland" gig too==more just "whaaat?" Yeah, I got it a long time ago, SOA is in deep with the Irish and their gun running. Also, saw the whole "Jax will find out that we (Clay and Gemma) offed his dad thing if we are not careful" issue a way long time ago. It doesn't need to be 'spelled out' but then maybe with today's tv viewer
And the chase scenes--car, truck chasing bikes-bikes chasing cars--really reminds me of the DUKES OF HAZZARD or THE A TEAM, appealing to the kind of viewers like my one idiot cousin who turned off the shows when the requisite car chase scene was over..its just pandering to the NASCAR/WWF/TEA Party viewers out there.
It is good to see though that the show seemed to find a 'mainline' path;a more unified plot line then in S1 and most of S2 when it just kind of went all over the place
And more "women bashing"--just got done watching Jax give the porn star Ima a psuedo "strawberry shortcake (using spit instead of semen)"
The show is very degrading to women and blacks.
If Cali and west coast states actually have biker/gang issues this bad, they need some interventions from DC...
But hey-the show has become at the least, watchable and entertaining.
Glad they offed the ATF chic-she was quite a tiresome and over the top (needlessly-pointlessly). Didn't see why it was at all necessary to have her suddenly become a lesbian-she could have just as easily framed a subordinate male atf agent as well--guess they did the lesbo thing for the 'thrill' effect.
Glad they got done with the whole "watch us in Ireland" gig too==more just "whaaat?" Yeah, I got it a long time ago, SOA is in deep with the Irish and their gun running. Also, saw the whole "Jax will find out that we (Clay and Gemma) offed his dad thing if we are not careful" issue a way long time ago. It doesn't need to be 'spelled out' but then maybe with today's tv viewer
And the chase scenes--car, truck chasing bikes-bikes chasing cars--really reminds me of the DUKES OF HAZZARD or THE A TEAM, appealing to the kind of viewers like my one idiot cousin who turned off the shows when the requisite car chase scene was over..its just pandering to the NASCAR/WWF/TEA Party viewers out there.
It is good to see though that the show seemed to find a 'mainline' path;a more unified plot line then in S1 and most of S2 when it just kind of went all over the place
And more "women bashing"--just got done watching Jax give the porn star Ima a psuedo "strawberry shortcake (using spit instead of semen)"
The show is very degrading to women and blacks.
If Cali and west coast states actually have biker/gang issues this bad, they need some interventions from DC...
But hey-the show has become at the least, watchable and entertaining.
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
Just bear one thing in mind if you want to keep watching SOA.
It's got bugger all to do with "PC", but more how things do actually happen. Racism, sexism, tribalism are RIFE in the world, we just don't see them all the time, or better yet, even try to connect the dots on a basic level.
It's a show about *their reality*, not "our reality", and trying to put our "subjective reality" on it is just not gonna work. There are different worlds out there.
It's got bugger all to do with "PC", but more how things do actually happen. Racism, sexism, tribalism are RIFE in the world, we just don't see them all the time, or better yet, even try to connect the dots on a basic level.
It's a show about *their reality*, not "our reality", and trying to put our "subjective reality" on it is just not gonna work. There are different worlds out there.
We dont. Biker gangs/clubs exist only in very outlaying areas which have few minorities. They are profiled everywhere else. Some cities have noise ordinances in place to prevent ownership or operating a Harley other loud vehicle. The "biker scene" is something belonging to a tiny segment of the California population.
Bolded in red was the other main issue I had with the show. But everyone and I mean EVERYONE who I know who has watched this show tells me to stick with it and watch all of the first season and that the rest of the show would seem less unappealing. I dont know about that. Its like having to employ the assistance of a smelly urine-soaked bum to find the way to the showers..
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
Perfectly worded. That's the issue I see with yongjin's interpretation of this show. He seems far more concerned with political correctness and sanitizing than watching something that more closely reflects real-world issues.
I'm increasingly confused as to how he could possibly have liked The Shield when he keeps complaining about the very same subject matter with which that show dealt.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
Dude, at the very least WATCH a few seasons before continuing to make arbitrary clueless comments. I'd have more respect for your comments and opinions of this show if you actually watched the thing rather than continuing to criticize something you haven't bothered to watch.
As you can see, I'm not busting yongjin's chops much because he is, at least, trying to get through it rather than just throwing comments from the alley behind the theater. His problem is that he lives in Wholesome, USA, and seems blissfully unaware what the real world is like. My take on his views is that he thinks the FCC censors real life and, therefore, the entire country is politically correct and issues such as racism, classism, sexism and the like simply don't exist in real life or are very minor, rare, isolated issues.
The show is not "degrading to blacks". It is degrading to all, including white trash. It deals with real subject matter in a fictional context. They have a black biker gang that are close to the SOA and, no, they don't get mistreated or ridiculed. Then there's the 1-9er street gang, more of a typical LA street gang type of organization, similar to the Bloods or the Crips. Eventually we get introduced to a black ex-gang member who has become a respected, powerful business man with endless connections. That becomes another interesting storyline.
Bottom line, this show is about life in the underground. The Shield is identical in subject matter. The only difference is the protagonists were crooked cops.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
fic·tion
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literature in the form of prose, esp. short stories and novels, that describes imaginary events and people.
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Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
I think it's more where it is coming from. If you think about it, Bones, L&O, Castle, NCIS etc, etc, etc are all shows about murder, So was Dexter, but the perspective is coming from the other side of the fence.
The Shield comes from the place of the Cops, (no matter how corrupt or whatever), SOA comes from the place of the Bikers, even if similar things may happen.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
Those two are not mutually exclusive, the main difference being the subject matter. Dexter was a serial killer whereas the Strike Team were crooked, murderous cops.
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
I did not compare the two. I compared Dexter to Police procedurals, and SOA to the Shield.