Who's responsible for the end of Stargate?

[Graybrew1]

I agree with this. And--having recently watched all of SGA and SG1 on N-Flix, and having been nearly made 'mad' by kitschy-boredom of SG1 's first season--I ask, would SG1 ever had made it if that same first season aired now? Watch some ep's of SGU and 1st Season SG1 concurrently. While I do not argue that SGU was the 'creme de la creme', try to go beyond any favorable bias of SG1 and look how weak the SFX, scripts, tired "My reproductive organs are inside...I'll still kick you A@#" stuff from Carter is not much better-if at all-than SGU. And many, in other places, have said that the sex scene between James and Scott in the 1st ep caused them to tune out on SGU forever-the 1st season of SG1 (in its original form) had sex in it as well-albeit 1990's "tv sex" (the boundaries have been pushed by now)-that';s just weak. I think much of the problems can be said to be with the viewership-as a whole-Americans want stuff-anything-done faster and in their face to keep their attention. The whole direction of our society is not conducive to the time consuming plot developments and arcs of those shows we all loved/liked (c'mon-how long do you think today's viewers would have put up with the whole Ori arc anyhow?)

just saying

Hey did i forget to give you your wagon?




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[Gatefan1976]

I agree with this. And--having recently watched all of SGA and SG1 on N-Flix, and having been nearly made 'mad' by kitschy-boredom of SG1 's first season--I ask, would SG1 ever had made it if that same first season aired now? Watch some ep's of SGU and 1st Season SG1 concurrently. While I do not argue that SGU was the 'creme de la creme', try to go beyond any favorable bias of SG1 and look how weak the SFX, scripts, tired "My reproductive organs are inside...I'll still kick you A@#" stuff from Carter is not much better-if at all-than SGU.

All fair calls, However, SG-1 was not and never was marketed, packaged and sold as "high brow Scifi" It was a fun action adventure Scifi show. Trek (esp TNG) was very much the "high brow" scifi show with it's moral dillemas, B5 was the first real Scifi serial and SG-1 was just a fun scifi show. It had it's niche and never pretended to be anything else. That for me is very much why SG1 gets a pass and SGU is held to a higher standard, It wanted to be seen as "Intelligent Arc driven Scif", so that's how I rated it, and unfortunately, it rated poorly.

And many, in other places, have said that the sex scene between James and Scott in the 1st ep caused them to tune out on SGU forever-the 1st season of SG1 (in its original form) had sex in it as well-albeit 1990's "tv sex" (the boundaries have been pushed by now)-that';s just weak.

Was the scene with Sha're a sex scene? I'm sure there was some "titallation factor" in there, but I always saw it more as a statement on the Goa'uld and there distain for humans more than a "Sex scene", the scene with Scott and James however leaves no such room for interpetation.

I think much of the problems can be said to be with the viewership-as a whole-Americans want stuff-anything-done faster and in their face to keep their attention. The whole direction of our society is not conducive to the time consuming plot developments and arcs of those shows we all loved/liked (c'mon-how long do you think today's viewers would have put up with the whole Ori arc anyhow?)

just saying

Again, a fair observation. I won't enter into the perceptions of the modern US viewing audience (as I am not from the US), but if that is the case, WHY go in the direction they did in the first place?
Makes you wonder about thier motives does it not?

 

[SciphonicStranger]

Since it is a mutiple choice poll. Some are blaming multiple parts that include whatever is on the poll.

Gotcha. I guess I just never bought into the idea that there were "angry" SG1/SGA fans actively boycotting the new Stargate show.

Yeah, I was disappointed when those shows were cancelled, but kept thinking that SGU might tap into some of the old magic.

 

[Overmind One]

WELCOME to GateFans! Great opening posts

I agree with this. And--having recently watched all of SGA and SG1 on N-Flix, and having been nearly made 'mad' by kitschy-boredom of SG1 's first season--I ask, would SG1 ever had made it if that same first season aired now? Watch some ep's of SGU and 1st Season SG1 concurrently. While I do not argue that SGU was the 'creme de la creme', try to go beyond any favorable bias of SG1 and look how weak the SFX, scripts, tired "My reproductive organs are inside...I'll still kick you A@#" stuff from Carter is not much better-if at all-than SGU.

Yep, that was bad...but Chloe and Eli stoning home to get drink in a bar in somebody elses body, then wind up in somebody else's car (drunk, btw) sobbing and whining syrupy confessions to each other.... Just :puke: But SG-1 season 1 aired at a time when there was other good science fiction on and the Sci Fi Channel had more offerings, better lead-in and lead-out. If aired today, I still think it would have been on the air today. Why do the networks think the audiences are sick of "old style" pew pew and space battles and rubber-faced aliens? Sure, a greatly executed CGI alien is nice, but not a requirement. The writing has drifted from science fiction into standard mainstream drama, but set in space. That is NOT science fiction. Its science fashion.

And many, in other places, have said that the sex scene between James and Scott in the 1st ep caused them to tune out on SGU forever-the 1st season of SG1 (in its original form) had sex in it as well-albeit 1990's "tv sex" (the boundaries have been pushed by now)-that';s just weak. I think much of the problems can be said to be with the viewership-as a whole-Americans want stuff-anything-done faster and in their face to keep their attention.

Perhaps, but we dont want soap-fi. I just got caught up with the excellent British show called Primeval. Its the same old formula that ALWAYS works, as long as you twist it and make it different from the last show it was used on. Highest grossing films made = science fiction movies with spaceships and pew pew and special effects and explosions. Who is asking writers/producers to give us something different? That sex scene shouldnt have been in there AT ALL.

The whole direction of our society is not conducive to the time consuming plot developments and arcs of those shows we all loved/liked (c'mon-how long do you think today's viewers would have put up with the whole Ori arc anyhow?)

just saying

AGREED! I prefer episodic over serialized, and no network or studio is going to be able to "force" me to watch a show because it is unresolved in a single episode. I just wont watch the show at all.

 

[Graybrew1]

Gotcha. I guess I just never bought into the idea that there were "angry" SG1/SGA fans actively boycotting the new Stargate show.

Yeah, I was disappointed when those shows were cancelled, but kept thinking that SGU might tap into some of the old magic.

I have always said, that I was a SG fan. Not just SG1,SGA or SGU. Heck before December, I had no clue that there was any such thing as a fandivide. I don't blame the fans. I blame the producers. I was also dissapointed by SGU after Hope, that is just my personal preferences. I don't fault anybody there opinions. Although some of the mansquitos at Syfy screaming ,you suck syfy and Save SGU, irritate the crap out of me. Where where they in December? I digress. I too, really hoped in the beginning that SGU could eventually become a great show. I always thought there was writing problems, but like I said , after Hope I was fed up.

 

[Overmind One]

Gotcha. I guess I just never bought into the idea that there were "angry" SG1/SGA fans actively boycotting the new Stargate show.

Yeah, I was disappointed when those shows were cancelled, but kept thinking that SGU might tap into some of the old magic.

WELCOME to you too!

 

[SciphonicStranger]

Although some of the mansquitos at Syfy screaming ,you suck syfy and Save SGU, irritate the crap out of me. Where where they in December?

We were all Mansquitos on the SyFy board at some point. Heck, I'm a Mansquito on this board right now.

 

[Lilith]

Gotcha. I guess I just never bought into the idea that there were "angry" SG1/SGA fans actively boycotting the new Stargate show.

Yeah, I was disappointed when those shows were cancelled, but kept thinking that SGU might tap into some of the old magic.

The old magic was what they didn't want to do. Too bad because that is what they were good at.

 

[Graybrew1]

We were all Mansquitos on the SyFy board at some point. Heck, I'm a Mansquito on this board right now.

I was there too at one point. So, I see your point. I apologize if I offended you.

 

[Gatefan1976]

We were all Mansquitos on the SyFy board at some point. Heck, I'm a Mansquito on this board right now.

To be sure, but there is a world of diference between "I'm gonna start an account merely to call people a bunch of names then leave" and "I'm upset about something and I want to find out why X happened", is there not?

 

[SciphonicStranger]

I was there too at one point. So, I see your point. I apologize if I offended you.

No offense taken! If I remember correctly from last December you were only at the Mansquito level for about 30 minutes or so.

 

[SciphonicStranger]

To be sure, but there is a world of diference between "I'm gonna start an account merely to call people a bunch of names then leave" and "I'm upset about something and I want to find out why X happened", is there not?

Yep, spamming vs. presenting thoughtful discussion. Always an issue in any forum - that's why we all love Squall on the SyFy site.

 

[Graybrew1]

Yep, spamming vs. presenting thoughtful discussion. Always an issue in any forum - that's why we all love Squall on the SyFy site.

Well then you should love Briangate over here. :icon_e_wink:

 

[Overmind One]

Yep, spamming vs. presenting thoughtful discussion. Always an issue in any forum - that's why we all love Squall on the SyFy site.

You are free to use the special smiley we have for the "flyby troll". Its in the smileys pulldown and looks like this:

 

[SciphonicStranger]

Well then you should love Briangate over here. :icon_e_wink:

I know. I've actually been lurking around here since the old board days. What's up with the scifi-nexus site?
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[Overmind One]

I know. I've actually been lurking around here since the old board days. What's up with the scifi-nexus site?

That question will answer itself just by visiting there. :icon_e_wink:
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[SciphonicStranger]

Just my own observation, but the heart of the old board made it work again over here.
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[Overmind One]

Just my own observation, but the heart of the old board made it work again over here.

Not really...that place was centered around disdain for a single show, Technically, a hate site. This place is not and never has been. Everything is different. MUCH different.

Besides that, the architect of that old board is the architect of this board...Ill leave it at that.

 

[Graybrew1]

Not really...that place was centered around disdain for a single show, Technically, a hate site. This place is not and never has been. Everything is different. MUCH different.

Besides that, the architect of that old board is the architect of this board...Ill leave it at that.

You are so modest.

 

[Overmind One]

You are so modest.

Well, without the people who come here and who used to go there, the new members, the awesome Team that we have, and the love of science fiction over hating on a single show, this place wouldnt be the success it is today. We are only three months old!