Wormhole Riders - Bias at its' Best

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
Thank you for posting that!

This is in the comments section of last night's Joe Mallozzi blog, from someone at Wormhole:
Huh, not sure why all those numbers showed up when I copied and pasted the comment?

I don't mind the numbers as they sort of give the post a bullet points look and make it easier to read in a way. Such point by point delusion! I love it! :D
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
And I'd like to add to Pigin's disgust with thier ratings here as well

Australia has a population of 22342400 according to the current data: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3101.0?opendocument?utm_id=HL
The highest rated cable program in Oz for 2009 was a soccer match at 431000 viewers:
http://www.knowfirst.info/forums/showthread.php?t=27815

Also, if anyone can make sense of these numbers, here is a site that tracks FTA Tv ratings in Australia:
http://www.throng.com.au/ratings/

I'm not 100% sure, but to me it looks like WHR claims of Australian viewership is as full of shit as a effluent treatment plant.

A for effort WHR, F for accuracy. Thanks for proving to everyone just how full of shit you really are, way to go!:beckettu:
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
And I'd like to add to Pigin's disgust with thier ratings here as well

Australia has a population of 22342400 according to the current data: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3101.0?opendocument?utm_id=HL
The highest rated cable program in Oz for 2009 was a soccer match at 431000 viewers:
http://www.knowfirst.info/forums/showthread.php?t=27815

Also, if anyone can make sense of these numbers, here is a site that tracks FTA Tv ratings in Australia:
http://www.throng.com.au/ratings/

I'm not 100% sure, but to me it looks like WHR claims of Australian viewership is as full of shit as a effluent treatment plant.

A for effort WHR, F for accuracy. Thanks for proving to everyone just how full of shit you really are, way to go!:beckettu:

Dare I use the “M” word (for the “mel” types in the world)? And while on the subject of “M” words, we have a number of these “m”arvelous individuals attacking our staff over planned support efforts by the fans of Stargate Universe that we will be reporting on in the near future.
We ignore them and block them on Twitter and Facebook, not to mention the foul comments at our news site that never see the light of day. We do however have a nice list of about 10,000 IP addresses tied to these trouble makers, some of whom have been turned over to law enforcement (its against the law in the USA and in treaties with other countries to send hate mail). Such misguided people are often put on watch lists.

Careful, you're gonna end up on a "watch list" if you keep writing posts like that. LOL!
 

stclare

Moderator & Mckay Super Fan
This is in the comments section of last night's Joe Mallozzi blog, from someone at Wormhole: Huh, not sure why all those numbers showed up when I copied and pasted the comment?

Is flumoxed :confused:

where did these 10,000 ip addresses come from? and who on here went there and posted anything but critique about sgu? posting that you dislike a tv show is not what i would call hate mail. Also where did the campaign come from to get the movies, i must have missed it and im a baby mod here :eek: i also missed where we targeted there campaign :eek:

so we can look forward to more unbiased articles concerning sgu sucks over there, wont that be nice ;) and filled with only honest unbiased and balanced reporting
 
B

Backstep

Guest
Where on WHR list is the face that SGU rabid fans invaded scifi boards repeating BW's words "If you don't like what we are producing, don't watch". From the SGU fans any opinion other than 'SGU is the greatest', was met with snarky to down right rude comments, then said if you don't like it change the channel. The just change the channel campaign by the SGUers did more harm for them, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 

Lilith

GateFans Noob
Where on WHR list is the face that SGU rabid fans invaded scifi boards repeating BW's words "If you don't like what we are producing, don't watch". From the SGU fans any opinion other than 'SGU is the greatest', was met with snarky to down right rude comments, then said if you don't like it change the channel. The just change the channel campaign by the SGUers did more harm for them, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

So our work is done now and we didn't even have to do anything.
 

Insomnium

GateFans Cadet
Where on WHR list is the face that SGU rabid fans invaded scifi boards repeating BW's words "If you don't like what we are producing, don't watch". From the SGU fans any opinion other than 'SGU is the greatest', was met with snarky to down right rude comments, then said if you don't like it change the channel. The just change the channel campaign by the SGUers did more harm for them, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Yeah, that's why I said those who were telling longtime fans of SG1/SGA who did'nt like the so-called "new direction" to stop watching, have no right to complain about the ratings taking nosedive into cancellation land.

Boneheads...:facepalm:
 

Lilith

GateFans Noob
Yeah, that's why I said those who were telling longtime fans of SG1/SGA who did'nt like the so-called "new direction" to stop watching, have no right to complain about the ratings taking nosedive into cancellation land.

Boneheads...:facepalm:

That's why it is hard to believe that SGU fans are not preteen people. I know alot of the adults liked the soft porn because it was so meaningful and deep but mature, I don't think so.
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
Careful, you're gonna end up on a "watch list" if you keep writing posts like that. LOL!

OH NOE'S!! :rotflmao:

I'm utterly terrified seeing as though everything I post here is merely an opinion peice at best. Unlike, say, an organization that is passing itself off as the "WormholeRiders News Agency"
Isn't accuracy and truth supposed to be a hallmark of good journalism?

Actually, I think I know went wrong with thier reporting, they added an extra zero at random points in the peice, it was supposed to read:

Canada: 110000
UK: 130000
Australia: 80-90000
IP adresses's :1000

Now those numbers I might actually believe.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
Good call on the IP addresses

OH NOE'S!! :rotflmao:

I'm utterly terrified seeing as though everything I post here is merely an opinion peice at best. Unlike, say, an organization that is passing itself off as the "WormholeRiders News Agency"
Isn't accuracy and truth supposed to be a hallmark of good journalism?

Actually, I think I know went wrong with thier reporting, they added an extra zero at random points in the peice, it was supposed to read:

Canada: 110000
UK: 130000
Australia: 80-90000
IP adresses's :1000

Now those numbers I might actually believe.

Yes, those numbers make more sense for sure. :D
 

Tropicana

Council Member
That comment from the WHR was so hilarious, I have to say something myself! :D

I can already imagine it, how they write an email to a police office.

"Dear police officer. A lot of people have said on Twitter, Facebook and our fansite, that SGU sucks! Please throw them into prison, because that is a crime everywhere in the word! In the attachment you find a list of 10,000 IP addresses, so that you can persecute them."

Police officer's reaction: :facepalm:
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In the UK, I believe police can arrest an individual for wasting their time with non-important matters.
 

Tropicana

Council Member
So our 10,000 silent members commented.
Who knew, we had allies of that magnitude.

It's funny, some on GW have commented how we're an insignificant group (before the comments get deleted) and yet on WHR, apparently, we have millions of members and supporters and have single-handedly destroyed SGU. Again much like SGU, SGU fans are so inconsistent with facts and figures.

Again we maybe against SGU, but have we spun our figures? Nope. Have we spun our facts? Nope.

.
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
I did IT!!!!!

It was MY AWESUMMMM MIND POWERS!!!
hypnotize.gif
 

johnsheppard

GateFans Noob
That comment from the WHR was so hilarious, I have to say something myself! :D

I can already imagine it, how they write an email to a police office.

"Dear police officer. A lot of people have said on Twitter, Facebook and our fansite, that SGU sucks! Please throw them into prison, because that is a crime everywhere in the word! In the attachment you find a list of 10,000 IP addresses, so that you can persecute them."

Police officer's reaction: :facepalm:
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Canada (SPACE)

Ratings average from 10/2/09-6/4/10: 420,000 viewers

http://www.channelcanada.com/Article4649.html

1./2. Air, Part 1 and 2
565,000 viewers

10. Justice
304,000 viewers

11. Space
422,000 viewers

According to Mallozzi at November 11, 2010:

"SGU does very well on Canada’s Space channel averaging about 350 000 viewers per episode,..."



UK - population of 62 million

View attachment 2801



Australia (Sci Fi)

1. /2. Air, Part 1 and 2
149,000 viewers


Australia (TEN)

Cancelled after three weeks because of low ratings.

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2009/12/...ernatural.html
http://www.throng.com.au/stargate-un...l-defies-logic

3. Air, Part 3: 558,000 viewers
4. Darkness: 487,000 viewers



USA season 2 average: 1.078 million viewers

The US population is by the way smaller as far as I know. More like 309 million people. But the ratings are of course still horrible.



So now it is an insult to the SGU actors to not go to their panels. :rolleyes:

People simply didn't go to their panels, because they didn't want to waste their time! Most people don't go to the panel of an actor, if you aren't watching his series. There are a lot of other things to do at a conventions, like going the the panels of actors of series you like, getting autographs and photographs of them, looking around the sales booths, speaking with other fans, and so on. Conventions are often quite expensive. Why waste time on people you are not interested in?

When the SGU actors' panels at cons are practically empty, it is not the fault of the SG1/SGA fans. Those fans are at the cons for SG1/SGA actors.

SGU simply have not a lot of fans who go to the conventions to see the actors. I am still amazed, that someone is blaming fans of other series for not being interested in seeing SGU actors! :facepalm:

If a panel of a Star Trek convention would be barely attended, I certainly wouldn't blame Star Wars fans for this!!!



When they didn't make an SG1/SGA movie shortly after SGA's cancellation, it was clear that it would never be made. It was clear that SG1 and SGA are dead, before SGU even started airing.

By the way if MGM would still like to make a SG1 and/or SGA movie, getting a crew, who would make it, wouldn't be a problem. I think most, probably all, SG1/SGA actors would do it (a TV movie don't take long to make) and there are a lot of producers, writers, costumers, makeup, set constructors, contractors, support staff and creators, who would surely like to do the job. If you offer pay for a job, you usually will find someone, who like to do that job.




A lof of people, who don't like SGU, simply wanted to see it cancelled. SGU is dead now and they got their wish.

You can whine and lament about the "bad" SG1/SGA fans as much as you want. You can fudge the ratings numbers. You can participate in Save SGU campaigns. It all doesn't matter. SGU is dead and will stay dead forever.
danceonyourgrave.gif
Really great analysis and post.So once again they spinned the numbers.
Just for reminding the WHR post

Originally Posted by http://wormholeriders.com/blog[/B Dear Mr. Mallozzi,
Our team sends you a get well soon hug.
Yes things do take time, particularly of this magnitude. And speaking of magnitude, I noticed you have recently read

“Stranger in a Strange Land”. Excellent book! Do you ever feel that you are living that novel these days?

Dare I use the “M” word (for the “mel” types in the world)? And while on the subject of “M” words, we have a number of these “m”arvelous individuals attacking our staff over planned support efforts by the fans of Stargate Universe that we will be reporting on in the near future.


We ignore them and block them on Twitter and Facebook, not to mention the foul comments at our news site that never see the light of day. We do however have a nice list of about 10,000 IP addresses tied to these trouble makers, some of whom have been turned over to law enforcement (its against the law in the USA and in treaties with other countries to send hate mail). Such misguided people are often put on watch lists
.

On a more positive note, WHR has been looking at some very interesting numbers and find that the problem of ratings for Stargate Universe seems to have been primarily a USA centric phenomena. Here is what we know:

SGU Viewership in Canada hovered at about 1.1 million for a country of ~33 million. Grade = excellent!

SGU Viewership in the United Kingdom was about 1.3 million average in a country of ~51 million. Grade = very good!

SGU Viewership in Australia was about 800,000 to 900,00 in a country of ~21 million. Grade = excellent!

We would call these healthy numbers by percentage when measured against total population. Now the (sad) rub.
SGU Viewership in the United States was only 1.1 to 1.2 million in a country of ~330 million. Grade = sad.

There is a more.

In 2010 WHR covered some 50 conventions world-wide, many Stargate related. With the exception of large Comic-Con type events where the attendance for SGU panels was excellent, the malcontents would deliberately boycott the panels of the SGU actors and actresses thinking they would send a “message” to TPTB. As if insulting the actors and actresses by a boycott is appropriate behavior, let alone an effective means of communication.

Well here is a message for the malcontents about what you have accomplished:


If all the fine people who made Stargate for 17 years (numbering some ~500 actors, actresses, crews, writers, costumers, makeup, set constructors, contractors, support staff and creators) lose their jobs, who in the heck is going to be around to make the movies you say you wanted so much to “support” the Stargate franchise?
Potentially no one that’s who.

The “plan” they had to belittle SGU in order to get to SGA and SG-1 movies was flawed from the get go. Without the infrastructure and people to make Stargate, there may now (sadly) be no SGA or SG-1 movies.
In closing for now, WHR will have more in our “As The Wormhole Turns” editorial series supporting Stargate Universe.

Dating back some 40 years the effects of such fan behavior do not work, nor have they ever worked.

In the meantime, get well Mr. Mallozzi. Our very best wishes in creating a new consortium to continue the greatness that is Stargate Universe. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Kenn – Managing Editor
WormholeRiders News Agency

It'd seem the link doesn't work.:(
 

AdamG

GateFans Noob
That comment from the WHR was so hilarious, I have to say something myself! :D

I can already imagine it, how they write an email to a police office.

"Dear police officer. A lot of people have said on Twitter, Facebook and our fansite, that SGU sucks! Please throw them into prison, because that is a crime everywhere in the word! In the attachment you find a list of 10,000 IP addresses, so that you can persecute them."

Police officer's reaction: :facepalm:
delete.gif




Canada (SPACE)

Ratings average from 10/2/09-6/4/10: 420,000 viewers

http://www.channelcanada.com/Article4649.html

1./2. Air, Part 1 and 2
565,000 viewers

10. Justice
304,000 viewers

11. Space
422,000 viewers

According to Mallozzi at November 11, 2010:

"SGU does very well on Canada’s Space channel averaging about 350 000 viewers per episode,..."



UK - population of 62 million

View attachment 2801



Australia (Sci Fi)

1. /2. Air, Part 1 and 2
149,000 viewers


Australia (TEN)

Cancelled after three weeks because of low ratings.

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2009/12/...ernatural.html
http://www.throng.com.au/stargate-un...l-defies-logic

3. Air, Part 3: 558,000 viewers
4. Darkness: 487,000 viewers



USA season 2 average: 1.078 million viewers

The US population is by the way smaller as far as I know. More like 309 million people. But the ratings are of course still horrible.



So now it is an insult to the SGU actors to not go to their panels. :rolleyes:

People simply didn't go to their panels, because they didn't want to waste their time! Most people don't go to the panel of an actor, if you aren't watching his series. There are a lot of other things to do at a conventions, like going the the panels of actors of series you like, getting autographs and photographs of them, looking around the sales booths, speaking with other fans, and so on. Conventions are often quite expensive. Why waste time on people you are not interested in?

When the SGU actors' panels at cons are practically empty, it is not the fault of the SG1/SGA fans. Those fans are at the cons for SG1/SGA actors.

SGU simply have not a lot of fans who go to the conventions to see the actors. I am still amazed, that someone is blaming fans of other series for not being interested in seeing SGU actors! :facepalm:

If a panel of a Star Trek convention would be barely attended, I certainly wouldn't blame Star Wars fans for this!!!



When they didn't make an SG1/SGA movie shortly after SGA's cancellation, it was clear that it would never be made. It was clear that SG1 and SGA are dead, before SGU even started airing.

By the way if MGM would still like to make a SG1 and/or SGA movie, getting a crew, who would make it, wouldn't be a problem. I think most, probably all, SG1/SGA actors would do it (a TV movie don't take long to make) and there are a lot of producers, writers, costumers, makeup, set constructors, contractors, support staff and creators, who would surely like to do the job. If you offer pay for a job, you usually will find someone, who like to do that job.




A lof of people, who don't like SGU, simply wanted to see it cancelled. SGU is dead now and they got their wish.

You can whine and lament about the "bad" SG1/SGA fans as much as you want. You can fudge the ratings numbers. You can participate in Save SGU campaigns. It all doesn't matter. SGU is dead and will stay dead forever.
danceonyourgrave.gif

Lies all Lies!!!!-wormhole people

In all seriosness, to claim that stargate universe gets as many viewers in canada as Hockey in week does is a downright fib on their parts (the staurday night hockey game usually gets about 1.5 million viewers i think). I said this in a post before, Most canadians are more likely to watch the chick flick 'Being Erica' than SGU, and being erica is facing the ax with simillar viewership (400-500 thousand viewers). Even Corner gas the flagship show for ctv only attracted around 1.2 million viewers back when it was being aired.

I just cant wrap my head why people genuinely think they shoudl defend the show still. And why they feel it soooo necessary to spin everything and lie. Its delusional. Fans should be thankful for the 14~15 good seasons of sg1 and sgA and move on, SGU was a bad show, and thats why naturally, it was cancelled. If it continued the ratings would probably be even worse.....It was bleeding viewers.

As for naturally logging IPS and reporting for watch lists, Im sure with all the drug usage and crime in the world police are very concerned with 'upset fans' of SGU and 'wormhole riders'.

And why is it that so many suck up to this joeseph guy on his blog!?-Do they really care about sushi or whatever hes eating that much, half of what he says stargate wise never comes to pass.
 

SG-Rocks

GateFans Noob
Annie get your gun

I hope Annie straightened out that WHR idiot at MoZo's Blog.

To my knowledge Space issued I think 2 press releases on SGPoo: One about how great the premier show numbers were (they were at that point) and one to reming the press there was a second season. Trouble is everyone still thinks it has maintained those initial numbers.

You can see in PSW's stats that there was an immediate drop off once the 3 parter was over. However everyone references that original press release, even when they were at the Gemini party and CTV was doing promo work for their newly acquired Space channel.

It's a damn shame that SGU•S can't issue it's own press releases to these suckers. :tealc_newanime018:
 

Illiterati

Council Member & Author
Having your students send in begging letters...

Oh MAN, but that may very well get someone on notice, if not downright fired.

I suspect it's a young-ish teacher with a sheepskin, but no common sense.
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
More unsubstantiated Bull:

But enough with the acting technobabble, let’s get on with the campaign updates and other Stargate-related news that might be out there. Recently there was a Stargate Universe marathon on Syfy network, and from what I understand, the ratings were good enough to justify doing a standard run-out of the second season.

______________________________


Considering we all pretty much get our ratings information from Travis Yanan/TVBTN, I'm curious to know where this "insider source" got thier numbers to supply to WHR, and if they were good, why has Syfy itself not said anything about them.


 
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