Yeah, not the same thing. One has elements of theoretical and actual science built into the genre and the other is just pure nonsensical fantasy.
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Gatefan1976
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That's why I disliked SGU more than anything else, it invited the scrutiny, and failed
Yes, but these kaiju movies do not invite scrutiny because they have no scientific canon backing them up. Merlin can do magical shit because the canon says he can.
Gatefan1976
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Kaiju movies may not, but that is not what Bluce is saying, he is saying Pac Rim does.
And I have been telling him why it does not.
Unless you are a kaiju fan, NONE of them are going to make any sense. But Pacific Rim made things move a bit closer to science fiction than the hundreds of kaiju movies which came before it. In many ways, it is more firmly anchored in reality than the Avengers in the Marvel universe. 
True.
Basically Pacific Rim was a touch more logically grounded than other Kaiju films (and indeed than most recent SciFi films) in that it actually explained where its Kaiju came from and why they acted in the manner that they did. They also explained why they developed the Jaegers (bombs and guns and other military hardware were unable to take Kaiju down before they did a lot of destruction) and even had a good reason for the two pilot system. But keep in mind all of these simply meant that Pacific Rim did a better job of following its own "world rules" not that it became scientifically plausible.
Basically Pacific Rim was a touch more logically grounded than other Kaiju films (and indeed than most recent SciFi films) in that it actually explained where its Kaiju came from and why they acted in the manner that they did. They also explained why they developed the Jaegers (bombs and guns and other military hardware were unable to take Kaiju down before they did a lot of destruction) and even had a good reason for the two pilot system. But keep in mind all of these simply meant that Pacific Rim did a better job of following its own "world rules" not that it became scientifically plausible.
Im still in love with Pacific Rim, but that is because like you, I am also a kaiju fan and have been one since childhood.
. Im good with this reboot/remake/reimagining, because they have kept Godzilla intact. They even have his trademark metallic roar/screech. Click this link to hear it.http://www.godzillatemple.com/hidden/zilla4.wav
Godzilla...the real Godzilla...cant make any other sound than that when he roars or its not him, simple as that.
He has to have the back plates, and when he breathes nuclear fire, his plates MUST also fluoresce.
Bluce Ree
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Yes, but these kaiju movies do not invite scrutiny because they have no scientific canon backing them up. Merlin can do magical shit because the canon says he can.
Except you said they need to properly explain Godzilla's fire breath because just saying "well, he was born from a nuke blast and his breath is nuke breath" isn't enough.
Bluce Ree
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No. You guys have completely drifted away from what I said. OM1 contradicts himself in that he says it's ok for Pacific Rim to be all childish and silly with its canon but for Godzilla 2014 "they are going to have to tell us some how and why" he shoots fire from his mouth "if they want him to be loved in the 21st century like he was for the past few decades".
Ergo, Pacific Rim need no 21st dentury common sense but Godzilla 2014 does.
I replied that what he's saying about Godzilla 2014 is what I said about Pacific Rim. Nothing about scrutiny, just that I dislike scifi movies aimed at adults where basic common sense is thrown out the window.
Except you said they need to properly explain Godzilla's fire breath because just saying "well, he was born from a nuke blast and his breath is nuke breath" isn't enough.
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Backstep
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Pacific Rim = Giant robots punching giant monsters in the face.
Godzilla = The imagination from the unknown effects of fallout of the time.
Both are fun so I don't care.
Godzilla = The imagination from the unknown effects of fallout of the time.
Both are fun so I don't care.
Right on! They ARE fun arent they? Rubber monster costumes and bouncing boulders and cheesy effects and all.
But in that genre, Pacific Rim has set the new standard.
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YJ02
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Im glad Godzilla was not in Pacific Rim.Godzilla can shoot "fire". He is takker than many skyscrapers, and they are going to have to tell us some how and why if they want him to be loved in the 21st century like he was for the past few decades.
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Yeah, not the same thing. One has elements of theoretical and actual science built into the genre and the other is just pure nonsensical fantasy.
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That is because Star Trek is science fiction, and kaiju movies ARE fantasy. My point is that starting with Pacific Rim, they seem to be trying to move it closer to science fiction than it has ever been before. Star Wars is also nonsensical fantasy
Bluce Ree
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That is because Star Trek is science fiction, and kaiju movies ARE fantasy. My point is that starting with Pacific Rim, they seem to be trying to move it closer to science fiction than it has ever been before. Star Wars is also nonsensical fantasy
I agree 100% about star wars.
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Will Malcolm's dad save the world?
mzzz
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