The Avengers (2012) Trailer

shavedape

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Saw it and... OMFG.. why is this making so much money? i just dont get it... sure it has some giggles but no real story and it follows the example of "movies" such as transformers.. ie VERY little story even LESS character development, nonsensical unbelieveable plot add to that an uber cgi fest of superhero crap and what do you have? yes a POS movie...
seriously i have been an iron man fan since the first movie i liked it BC it felt reel and not so magical mystery unexplained superhore crappy IE i could belive the story but then mixing that "world" with this avengers one... seriously its kinda wrecked iron man for me and then i learn that iron man 3 will be played out after the events in this one... boy Omni is not a happy camper...

ok so "AVENGERS" it has some laughs some enjoyable acting and great CG but thats about all it has and having payed to see this thing in theaters... id like my money back.

Well you knew from the commercials and previews that it was going to be a CGI orgy like they all are nowadays. For me knowing that ahead of time mitigates my opinion a bit in some instances. Like with Iron Man, which turned out to be way better than I thought it would. Haven't seen Avengers yet but planning to in the next few weeks. I've already tempered my reaction to it with the knowledge that there will be tons of CGI. Granted, I despised all the Transformers movies because of the visual orgy of CGI nonsense and general stupidity they contain. So if Avengers has too much pointless action and dumb assery I will not be too thrilled. We shall see...
 

OMNI

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Well you knew from the commercials and previews that it was going to be a CGI orgy like they all are nowadays. For me knowing that ahead of time mitigates my opinion a bit in some instances. Like with Iron Man, which turned out to be way better than I thought it would. Haven't seen Avengers yet but planning to in the next few weeks. I've already tempered my reaction to it with the knowledge that there will be tons of CGI. Granted, I despised all the Transformers movies because of the visual orgy of CGI nonsense and general stupidity they contain. So if Avengers has too much pointless action and dumb assery I will not be too thrilled. We shall see...
sure i had an idea of what i was getting into but with all the hoobla round this movie and all the records its shattering i was indeed expecting a little more but its just more of the same transformers BS ie its NOT a "film" its more along the lines of a 5 minute thrill ride in disneyland or any other themepark... and i dont like that i want FILM ie story with action ie make the goddamn thing make sence and be beliveable instead of 6 10minute webisodes slammed into a movie with a CGI porno battle at the end... truly a piece of crap imo.. sure great production value but overall? the story is a joke and so are these new CGI feast movie..

i still want my money back... kinda wish id seen john carter instead seeing as i was paying for it...
 

mzzz

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@Omni
Compared to Transformers, it wasn't anything like that piece of crap. They had the whole Loki background and his masters story on the fringes to keep it going, but this is just an initial film, they can't go too deep (storywise or characterwise) and he tried really hard to put all the characters in the spotlight, which I think he did.
 

Gatefan1976

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Ok, so I went and saw this last night, and I think it was pretty cool to be honest.
I'll make some observations, but I don't wanna fill it full of spoilers, so they will be pretty broad.

Bad stuff:
Storyline - Yes the storyline in this one was pretty superficial, there was far too much "tell, don't show" for my personal taste, but considering the length of the movie I am not too sure IF more storyline would have actually helped or detracted from the movie. The other thing hampering the story (which was pretty unavoidable) was the use of so many essentially "lead characters" (Iron Man, Cap and Thor) in the one pic. Again however it was pretty unavoidable. One thing to bear in mind though, the movie is about the "birth" of the Avengers *as a team*, NOT the background stories of the major characters which are handled in thier own movies, and taking that into consideration it DID fulful that role (and YES bluce, there is some avenging going on, in fact it's central to the formation of the team as a functioning entity :) ) One thing that really did annoy me was he choice of villain - Loki. Now, don't get me wrong, I like the character of Loki, and I think the actor played a VERY good "comic book loki", yet I think such a huge character has VERY much limited where they can go from here. Loki is a pretty "high bar" to top, because the only way onwards is to "ramp it up" (which if you watch the credits, they DO). Then again, considering in Thor they destroyed Bifrost, they DID need a way to work Thor back into the story, and no-one is going to get Thors attention more than Loki :P
One thing that really did bug me was the continuity of the "big fight" In many ways I found it horribly disjointed in how they jumped from character to character and it really did drag me out of the moment. The main 2 "offenders" her are the scenes with Hulk and Thor. Again however, these two characters are 2 of the most physically powerful characters in the Marvel-verse, and to spend too much time on them may have actually detracted from the idea of a team.
Good things:
"Air time balance" - All of the characters get a decent amount of screentime. Iron Man does get a little more than the others, but I think that is more due to the fact that Iron man is more the "human lens" for us to see the team through, so that is understandable.
Humor- Plenty of LOL moments going on, mostly through Hulk and his interactions with Thor. None of it felt "forced", but it did get a bit over top in some parts. Joss went a bit too "Buffy-esque" humor where he really shoulda gone more "firefly". Again though, considering the main 2 involved, "Physical humor" works for them.
Overall Story - It felt exactly like a "visual comic book", and to me, it was well executed in that way. Was it the strongest story, no. Was it "deep and emotional storytelling", no. Was it exactly what you would find in your average marvel comic book, YES. Yes there were some serious moments and moral messages, but again, they were handled in comic book style and for me at least, it worked well.

If I were to rate the avengers as a "stand alone peice of cinematography" I would probably rate it as a solid 5.5/10, It was not outstanding, but neither was it bad. If however I were to look it as a "comic book movie", I would give it 8.5-9/10. It hit every note it should, it was a fun and enjoyable flick and if you go in expecting a "summer blockbuster" I doubt you will be dissapointed.
 

Joelist

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The inherent issue you always run into when putting Thor into a story is having a villain that is actually capable of defeating him. Thor is the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe (he's either a deity or an alien so powerful that he is perceived as a deity - take your pick), which means that the vast majority of Marvel villains are simply overmatched by him. Try picturing Thor fighting Iron Monger for example - one whack with Mjolinar and its off to the scrap heap for Iron Monger.

Enter Loki. As another Asgardian-type being (in his case a Frost Giant) he actually possesses the basic power to defeat Thor even if it is still a bit of a mismatch. Plus as Thor's brother there is the whole conflicted feelings issue. Nonetheless this is the "logic" behind Loki being the big bad - no other big bad was going to be a challenge to Thor (to say nothing of the Avengers as a whole). And with Loki now beaten they apparently are going with Thanos next - which is to me a bad idea as Thanos was clearly a supernatural being in the comics and the comic movies are better when they do not go into the supernatural comic area.
 

Gatefan1976

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I wouldn't call Thor the most powerful good guy, something clearly, and humorously dealt with in the movie :D
 

Joelist

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I wouldn't call Thor the most powerful good guy, something clearly, and humorously dealt with in the movie :D

I would. Remember the power of that hammer he carries around plus his access to Asgard tech and power. This mismatch even showed back when I was a kid in Thor comics.
 

Gatefan1976

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I would. Remember the power of that hammer he carries around plus his access to Asgard tech and power. This mismatch even showed back when I was a kid in Thor comics.

Thats Mjolnir, NOT Thor. :)
 

Joelist

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And who always has Mjolinar? Thor.
 

Joelist

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Remember, I have no doubt that the film can be good. It has good actors (particularly Downey) playing the lead parts and Joss Whedon is usually a crackerjack scriptwriter.
 

Gatefan1976

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And who always has Mjolinar? Thor.

Whomsoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.

Yes it is his, but comic book wise, he is far from the only person to use Mjolnir. Eric Masterton, the "thor corps" lead by Beta Ray Bill and so on............
 

Gatefan1976

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Remember, I have no doubt that the film can be good. It has good actors (particularly Downey) playing the lead parts and Joss Whedon is usually a crackerjack scriptwriter.

I know bud :)
 

Overmind One

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Saw it and... OMFG.. why is this making so much money? i just dont get it... sure it has some giggles but no real story and it follows the example of "movies" such as transformers.. ie VERY little story even LESS character development, nonsensical unbelieveable plot add to that an uber cgi fest of superhero crap and what do you have? yes a POS movie...
seriously i have been an iron man fan since the first movie i liked it BC it felt reel and not so magical mystery unexplained superhore crappy IE i could belive the story but then mixing that "world" with this avengers one... seriously its kinda wrecked iron man for me and then i learn that iron man 3 will be played out after the events in this one... boy Omni is not a happy camper...

ok so "AVENGERS" it has some laughs some enjoyable acting and great CG but thats about all it has and having payed to see this thing in theaters... id like my money back.

THANK YOU! I was prepared to pay to see this movie. But if you are referring to this movie as a "movie" (quotes), that says a lot for me. You are a CGI Jedi, and if you did not like the movie, I wont. I cannot be drawn in only by CGI or giggles. I thought there would be a good story behind it, but why should I have thought that? Movies that make money these days do not have stories worth remembering.

It disturbs me that there is now a whole generation which has NEVER seen good movies or experienced the mind expanding concepts of films like 2001 or series like Babylon 5. For them, it is all bubble gum of different flavors. Bah, I wont be paying after all. I am now searching for a good torrent. :icon_twisted: Arrrrg!
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
Saw it and... OMFG.. why is this making so much money? i just dont get it... sure it has some giggles but no real story and it follows the example of "movies" such as transformers.. ie VERY little story even LESS character development, nonsensical unbelieveable plot add to that an uber cgi fest of superhero crap and what do you have? yes a POS movie...
seriously i have been an iron man fan since the first movie i liked it BC it felt reel and not so magical mystery unexplained superhore crappy IE i could belive the story but then mixing that "world" with this avengers one... seriously its kinda wrecked iron man for me and then i learn that iron man 3 will be played out after the events in this one... boy Omni is not a happy camper...

ok so "AVENGERS" it has some laughs some enjoyable acting and great CG but thats about all it has and having payed to see this thing in theaters... id like my money back.

I have just two questions for you.

A - What are you doing camping in the cold?
B - Do they actually avenge anybody?

:(
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
THANK YOU! I was prepared to pay to see this movie. But if you are referring to this movie as a "movie" (quotes), that says a lot for me. You are a CGI Jedi, and if you did not like the movie, I wont. I cannot be drawn in only by CGI or giggles. I thought there would be a good story behind it, but why should I have thought that? Movies that make money these days do not have stories worth remembering.

It disturbs me that there is now a whole generation which has NEVER seen good movies or experienced the mind expanding concepts of films like 2001 or series like Babylon 5. For them, it is all bubble gum of different flavors. Bah, I wont be paying after all. I am now searching for a good torrent. :icon_twisted: Arrrrg!

2001 only expanded my confusion. I still haven't a clue what the hell that was all about and that's after seeing 2010 as well. :(
 

Atlantis

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Btw guys there is a tv series for this franchise I think its better than the crappy childish 2000 version which was just awful. Its rated quite highly but a couple of the characters are a little annoying but this is more aimed for a older demographic (not towards teeny toddlers) compared to its predecessor. Not really a fan of the theme music either. Its a little cheesy in some parts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers:_Earth's_Mightiest_Heroes

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1626038/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktl03fZGmPc

You be the judge
 

mzzz

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^Pretty cool, bit cartoony but that's ok. Have no idea who most of em are but think that doesn't really matter.
 

Atlantis

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^Pretty cool, bit cartoony but that's ok. Have no idea who most of em are but think that doesn't really matter.

Yeah I did say its a little cheesy and yeah I don't know some of the characters and I haven't really followed Avengers that much but I know characters like whirlwind and hawkeye from the iron man series from the 90's.

Most of the bad guys are new to me as well. I was surprised to see Fantastic Four in the series as well for a brief period anyway.

I have to wait at least mid June before I can watch the movie.
 
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