Can't leave out Mythbusters!

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Stonelesscutter

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I used to watch a lot of Mythbusters back in the days. (that makes me sound like I belong on the "you are mature when..."-thread doesn't it)
I preferred the show before the 'b-team' came into play.
Though I have to say that I caught Jamie and Adam drawing false conclusions on more than one occasion. Unfortunately I can't remember which.
 
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Graybrew1

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I used to watch a lot of Mythbusters back in the days. (that makes me sound like I belong on the "you are mature when..."-thread doesn't it)
I preferred the show before the 'b-team' came into play.
Though I have to say that I caught Jamie and Adam drawing false conclusions on more than one occasion. Unfortunately I can't remember which.

I love the Mythbusters. I do love the team. A and B. I really have no complaints about the show. Jamie like the big BOOOOOOOOM. :laughing:
 
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Stonelesscutter

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I also liked the dummy. What was his name again? Steve?
 

Joelist

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Adam and Jamie have been wrong before, and the fans call them on it. Typically they have 1-2 shows per year where they look at past myths that the fans disputed and redo the testing with fan suggested adjustments. Sometimes they prove their original work was right and sometimes they find out they were wrong - when it happens they step right up and admit it.

One example was their testing gas mileage with the windows closed and the AC on versus open. Originally they said it was always better with the windows open - it turned out they were incorrect. The reality was that between 40-50mph there is a point where the aerodynamic break in the car caused by open windows lowers mileage more than a running AC does. The point flucuates a bit depending on the body form of the car and is lower on newer cars because of more power efficient air conditioners but is generally around 45mph.
 

Overmind One

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Adam and Jamie have been wrong before, and the fans call them on it. Typically they have 1-2 shows per year where they look at past myths that the fans disputed and redo the testing with fan suggested adjustments. Sometimes they prove their original work was right and sometimes they find out they were wrong - when it happens they step right up and admit it.

One example was their testing gas mileage with the windows closed and the AC on versus open. Originally they said it was always better with the windows open - it turned out they were incorrect. The reality was that between 40-50mph there is a point where the aerodynamic break in the car caused by open windows lowers mileage more than a running AC does. The point flucuates a bit depending on the body form of the car and is lower on newer cars because of more power efficient air conditioners but is generally around 45mph.

Did they ever do an expose on the false claims of Toyota's Prius? It has been proven by experiments and accounts by actual owners that the Prius does NOT get the mileage advertised. And the environmental damage caused by the manufacture of the Prius eliminates any "green" credit for owning one:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/t686080-yet_another_reason_the_prius_sucks_.html

Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.

The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.

“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.

All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?

Wait, I haven’t even got to the best part yet.

When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius’s arch nemesis.

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

I HATE THE TOYOTA PRIUS!

So, did Adam and Jamie do a show on it?
 
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Graybrew1

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Adam and Jamie have been wrong before, and the fans call them on it. Typically they have 1-2 shows per year where they look at past myths that the fans disputed and redo the testing with fan suggested adjustments. Sometimes they prove their original work was right and sometimes they find out they were wrong - when it happens they step right up and admit it.

One example was their testing gas mileage with the windows closed and the AC on versus open. Originally they said it was always better with the windows open - it turned out they were incorrect. The reality was that between 40-50mph there is a point where the aerodynamic break in the car caused by open windows lowers mileage more than a running AC does. The point flucuates a bit depending on the body form of the car and is lower on newer cars because of more power efficient air conditioners but is generally around 45mph.

It is about the only thing on new here in my neck of the woods tonight.

I love the shows where they do a fan requested do-over. But I must say, do you record the shows and take notes or have a photographic memory, because that is some impressive amount of details for an ep of Mythbusters. I usually just sit back and enjoy the ride. :biggrin:

Green for you, when I can.
 
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Stonelesscutter

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Adam and Jamie have been wrong before, and the fans call them on it. Typically they have 1-2 shows per year where they look at past myths that the fans disputed and redo the testing with fan suggested adjustments. Sometimes they prove their original work was right and sometimes they find out they were wrong - when it happens they step right up and admit it.

One example was their testing gas mileage with the windows closed and the AC on versus open. Originally they said it was always better with the windows open - it turned out they were incorrect. The reality was that between 40-50mph there is a point where the aerodynamic break in the car caused by open windows lowers mileage more than a running AC does. The point flucuates a bit depending on the body form of the car and is lower on newer cars because of more power efficient air conditioners but is generally around 45mph.

I believe I remember that particular episode but it was a long time ago.
Sticking a certain amount of gas in a car and driving laps till it stops does not lead to reliable conclusions.
There could be small fluctuations in the amount of gas they put in for example.
But what about wind? Differing windspeeds and directions can greatly influence the outcome of such a test.
 

Joelist

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I have a lot of them on DVR. Plus I do find them memorable.

As to the Prius, they take suggestions at Discovery. com/mythbusters.
 
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Stonelesscutter

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Did they ever do an expose on the false claims of Toyota's Prius? It has been proven by experiments and accounts by actual owners that the Prius does NOT get the mileage advertised. And the environmental damage caused by the manufacture of the Prius eliminates any "green" credit for owning one:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/t686080-yet_another_reason_the_prius_sucks_.html



I HATE THE TOYOTA PRIUS!

So, did Adam and Jamie do a show on it?

So the Prius isn't as environmentally friendly as it's supposed to be.
No car ever has been and no car has ever achieved the mileage the producer claimed either.
Still the Prius uses up less gas to run making it beneficial for the oil reserves.
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
Did they ever do an expose on the false claims of Toyota's Prius? It has been proven by experiments and accounts by actual owners that the Prius does NOT get the mileage advertised. And the environmental damage caused by the manufacture of the Prius eliminates any "green" credit for owning one:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/t686080-yet_another_reason_the_prius_sucks_.html



I HATE THE TOYOTA PRIUS!

So, did Adam and Jamie do a show on it?

I don't think they ever have OM1.
I may be dreaming, but aren't their superior metals than Nickel these days for battery construction that are less harmful?
 

Joelist

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I believe I remember that particular episode but it was a long time ago.
Sticking a certain amount of gas in a car and driving laps till it stops does not lead to reliable conclusions.
There could be small fluctuations in the amount of gas they put in for example.
But what about wind? Differing windspeeds and directions can greatly influence the outcome of such a test.

They used dry tanks for each run and measured the gas with a digital scale.
 
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Stonelesscutter

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They used dry tanks for each run and measured the gas with a digital scale.

That doesn't mean that an equal amount of fuel reached the engine.
It also matters how much they rev up the engine while driving which is in turn also dependant on factors like windsheer.
But this experiment isn't even one of the bad ones.
I'm not saying I didn't like the show because it was pretty much my favourite at the time and they had a lot of cool and good experiments.
There were some which should have made me :facepalm: though.
 

Joelist

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I never said they were perfect, and yes some of their experiments have made me do a facepalm also. However, they do pretty good empirical science on a general level and are quite entertaining (things like "Jamie wants big boom" do stick). Plus their willingness to redo experiments and admit they messed up is refreshing in a world of "Hollywood" egoism.

And where else can you see someone load up a cement truck with 850 lbs of ANFO and vaporize it?
 
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Graybrew1

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I never said they were perfect, and yes some of their experiments have made me do a facepalm also. However, they do pretty good empirical science on a general level and are quite entertaining (things like "Jamie wants big boom" do stick). Plus their willingness to redo experiments and admit they messed up is refreshing in a world of "Hollywood" egoism.

And where else can you see someone load up a cement truck with 850 lbs of ANFO and vaporize it?

What I love about it, is that it was a completely original concept for a show. I was blown away from the first show on. Never had I seen anything like it before. Yes, they are also self depreciating and very funny at times, but they usually include a lot of real pure science behind it. And last they make "learning" fun.
 
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Stonelesscutter

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I never said they were perfect, and yes some of their experiments have made me do a facepalm also. However, they do pretty good empirical science on a general level and are quite entertaining (things like "Jamie wants big boom" do stick). Plus their willingness to redo experiments and admit they messed up is refreshing in a world of "Hollywood" egoism.

And where else can you see someone load up a cement truck with 850 lbs of ANFO and vaporize it?

I do agree with you.
And Jamie does like his big boom. :)
 

Joelist

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Today they had a rerun that I admit I found both funny and disgusting. This was where they tested the idea that you could successfully fully clean up a car in which someone had died then sell it as if nothing had happened. Their test was to seal a whole dead pig inside a Corvette for 2 months. To call the results grotesque is an understatement.
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
Today they had a rerun that I admit I found both funny and disgusting. This was where they tested the idea that you could successfully fully clean up a car in which someone had died then sell it as if nothing had happened. Their test was to seal a whole dead pig inside a Corvette for 2 months. To call the results grotesque is an understatement.

That was one of the first eps :)
 
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