Why some people are incapable of Rational Thought, regardless of IQ

[Jim of WVa]

That is the point this article makes. Ted Cruz did great at Harvard (so did GW Bush), but his actual BEHAVIOR and the way he sees things and communicates his ideas are on the level of somebody midly retarded (also like GW Bush). School credials can be bought, forged and arbitrarily awarded. You cannot buy rational thought or vision.


The man is irrational. It does not matter where he ent to school, what degrees he has or any of that. He is a nutcase. Isn’t THAT what matters? If I watch somebody be stunningly stupid and behave irrationally, it really will not matter.
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Rational thought. It's missing.

So, you are the only one allowed to bring up presidential candidates?

 

[Overmind One]

So, you are the only one allowed to bring up presidential candidates?

The context is the difference. Why can't you see that my posts regarding Ted Cruz are related to the OP and not a rant about his political policies? Tell me how this article applies to Obama, who did even BETTER at Harvard than Ted Cruz did, and was elected President...twice. Not seeing any evidence of a lack of rational thinking with Obama.

 

[Overmind One]

His remarks were addressed to me, even though my comments, which caused him grief, were moved to Flame Hell.

The whole point of this thread was to denigrate the role IQ tests play in determining the intelligence of person or a group of persons. Unfortunately for him, the quoted Scientific American article does not say what he wants it to say. The article did not state that some people with a lower measured IQ are "smarter" than some people with a higher IQ score. The article merely documents the tendency of some high IQ people to not give a particular question all of the attention that it deserves. The first "trick" question presented in the article can be solved easily by constructing a truth table for the problem. The answer derived from the truth table is different than the answer most people give when they spend very little time thinking about the problem.

It does not give the IQ test any credibility as a scientific test at all, regardless of the scores. The article is saying that IQ tests miss critical thinking processes, most specifically, Rational Thought, which is the hallmark of the Human Intellect.

You did not read the entire article, and you know it.

 

[YJ02]

This is excellent and true. Another example is when somebody is incarcerated and they dump their previous persona for a tough one to protect themselves. Yet another is somebody from a higher class who is forced into a lower class setting. Guess the intellect level of somebody like Ted Cruz, against somebody like Donald Trump. Yes, Donald is brash and rude and infuriating, but he sure is not dumb. He thinks rationally, even though his conclusions are...radical. Ted Cruz is just not on the level. He seems to border on mild retardation (sorta like GW Bush). Listening to him speak and watching him and digesting what he is saying just makes you cock your head.
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Donny trump--ex of n innately smart ("savagely" smart?) person who surrounds himself with ppl who are in all likelihood, not as smart as him or those with acquired knowledge. So Don doesn't get a filter-and always comes off as a dick

Cruz/Bush-ex's of ppl who have acquired knowledge with minimal/avg intellect who ARE listening to those around them who are more intellectual then themselves-hence, they become their mouthpieces

 

[Jim of WVa]

It does not give the IQ test any credibility as a scientific test at all, regardless of the scores. The article is saying that IQ tests miss critical thinking processes, most specifically, Rational Thought, which is the hallmark of the Human Intellect.

You did not read the entire article, and you know it.

Rational thought is highly correlated with general intelligence, g. High IQ individuals may act irrationally at times, but low IQ individuals are even worse.

 

[Jim of WVa]

The context is the difference. Why can't you see that my posts regarding Ted Cruz are related to the OP and not a rant about his political policies? Tell me how this article applies to Obama, who did even BETTER at Harvard than Ted Cruz did, and was elected President...twice. Not seeing any evidence of a lack of rational thinking with Obama.

Aside from his AA position at Harvard Law Review, nobody can recall Obama attending Harvard Law. The cited Newsmax article said that Dershowitz had praised both Elizabeth Warren (yes, the fake Indian) and Ted Cruz -- no praise of Obama.

 

[Overmind One]

Aside from his AA position at Harvard Law Review, nobody can recall Obama attending Harvard Law. The cited Newsmax article said that Dershowitz had praised both Elizabeth Warren (yes, the fake Indian) and Ted Cruz -- no praise of Obama.

Aside from his AA position at Harvard Law Review, nobody can recall Obama attending Harvard Law.

Irrational. And delusional. Obama graduated from Harvard Law in 1991. Here is Obama with his graduating class (he is dead center):



Here he is at the moment of being awarded his Law Degree.

So....photoshop?

The question is, where the hell did the notion that "nobody saw him at Harvard" come from? If you did not believe it, you would not have posted it. That you did post it is an irrational act. How could a black man (the first for President) get away with such egregious lying, fool the CIA, FBI and the Presidential Commissions? He could not. To think he did is IRRATIONAL.

 

[Overmind One]

Rational thought is highly correlated with general intelligence, g. High IQ individuals may act irrationally at times, but low IQ individuals are even worse.

Continuing the irrational theme, you still presuppose that the IQ test is acknowledged as a valid, scientific test. You are clinging to it as though it were accepted as valid across the scientific community. You are wrong. But since you cannot exist without your irrational belief, you will not check to see if this is so.

IRRATIONAL.

This thread may be the most effective yet to PROVE that much of what you say is completely irrational and delusional. You cannot focus, you do not give the issue much thought at all...because you cannot.

 

[Overmind One]

Rational thought is highly correlated with general intelligence, g. High IQ individuals may act irrationally at times, but low IQ individuals are even worse.

Did it hurt when you pulled this out of your ass? Hows about a link? (NOT Wikipedia) Rational thinking will lead to verifying what you just claimed, and it will be debunked easily. The IQ test cannot measure intelligence. It never has been able to, and it's inventor said so (it would be irrational for you to deny this). Alfred Binet.

More proof:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...929/IQ-tests-do-not-reflect-intelligence.html

IQ tests are misleading because they do not accurately reflect intelligence, according to a study which found that a minimum of three different exams are needed to measure someone's brainpower.

What do intelligence tests measure?

IQ is really a measure of how well you do on a test compared with other people your age. Scores are generally shown on a bell curve. The average score is 100. People to the far left or far right of the curve are outliers.

And that age is 9 years old and administered in public schools. It is never given again. Also, it has been proven that the IQ test score (if given again) will be much higher at a later age, proving that the test is inconsistent and fallible. It is a 19th century fallacy, like the invention of "race", and created at the same time.

 

[Overmind One]

If one has to convince somebody they are capable of rational thought, reciting an IQ score is not going to be part of the process. Unless one can actually demonstrate rational thought, CLAIMS of it do not matter.

BTW, please focus. This thread is discussing Rational Thought, not IQ tests.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Aside from his AA position at Harvard Law Review, nobody can recall Obama attending Harvard Law.

Irrational. And delusional. Obama graduated from Harvard Law in 1991. Here is Obama with his graduating class (he is dead center):

...

Here he is at the moment of being awarded his Law Degree.

...

So....photoshop?

The question is, where the hell did the notion that "nobody saw him at Harvard" come from? If you did not believe it, you would not have posted it. That you did post it is an irrational act. How could a black man (the first for President) get away with such egregious lying, fool the CIA, FBI and the Presidential Commissions? He could not. To think he did is IRRATIONAL.

Sure they have photographs, but they do not have memories of Obama contributing to Harvard Law intellectually?

http://www.wnd.com/2008/09/74877/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...rmation-we-found-that-you-may-not-have-heard/

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/08/early_obama_letter_confirms_inability_to_write.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html

As president of the Harvard Law Review and a law professor in Chicago, Senator Barack Obama refined his legal thinking, but left a scant paper trail. His name doesn't appear on any legal scholarship.

But an unsigned — and previously unattributed — 1990 article unearthed by Politico offers a glimpse at Obama's views on abortion policy and the law during his student days, and provides a rare addition to his body of work.

 

[Overmind One]

Sure they have photographs, but they do not have memories of Obama contributing to Harvard Law intellectually?

http://www.wnd.com/2008/09/74877/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...rmation-we-found-that-you-may-not-have-heard/

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/08/early_obama_letter_confirms_inability_to_write.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html

"They"? There is no way out of it. Obama DID attend and graduate Harvard Magna Cum Laude, and he was the President of the Harvard Law Review. None of those links change that. And just look at the links (dates)....

2008, 2012...election years. You stated clearly that Obama has false credentials, then you said he was paying peoples gas and mortgage, then you posted this. All very very IRRATIONAL.

 

[Joelist]

Can we get back to discussing rational thought (or is that desire in and of itself irrational)?

So, which of the following acts denotes rational thought?

a) Playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter

b) Playing Russian Roulette with a revolver and six rounds

c) Making a decision using a coin flip

d) Making a decision after carefully reviewing all pertinent facts

 

[Gatefan1976]

Can we get back to discussing rational thought (or is that desire in and of itself irrational)?

So, which of the following acts denotes rational thought?

a) Playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter

b) Playing Russian Roulette with a revolver and six rounds

c) Making a decision using a coin flip

d) Making a decision after carefully reviewing all pertinent facts

B

 

[shavedape]

Can we get back to discussing rational thought (or is that desire in and of itself irrational)?

So, which of the following acts denotes rational thought?

a) Playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter

b) Playing Russian Roulette with a revolver and six rounds

c) Making a decision using a coin flip

d) Making a decision after carefully reviewing all pertinent facts

There are some revolvers that only hold five rounds.

 

[Joelist]

Drat! Shaved picked up on why I said "revolver" instead of "six shooter"....

 

[Overmind One]

Can we get back to discussing rational thought (or is that desire in and of itself irrational)?

So, which of the following acts denotes rational thought?

a) Playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter

b) Playing Russian Roulette with a revolver and six rounds

c) Making a decision using a coin flip

d) Making a decision after carefully reviewing all pertinent facts

d, of course.

 

[Joelist]

d, of course.

In all likelihood. Of course if the decision to be made is truly a 50/50 proposition than C could be rational too.

A and B, not so much I think. Although between them, A is more rational than B unless you are deliberately trying to shoot yourself in the head....in that case B

 

[Gatefan1976]

If you know the rules of Russian roulette, B is logical because you cannot play Russian roulette with more than one round.
A is patently stupid.
C is a 50/50 chance
D is an exercise in arrogance because you will never know all pertinent facts in the real world.

B

 

[Joelist]

If you know the rules of Russian roulette, B is logical because you cannot play Russian roulette with more than one round.
A is patently stupid.
C is a 50/50 chance
D is an exercise in arrogance because you will never know all pertinent facts in the real world.

B

You HAD to go tell people the rules of the game huh?......