Star Trek ENT: General Discussion Thread

[Stonelesscutter]

T'pol and Ishta are the same woman?!??
I didn't really care for Ishta but T'pol was seriously hot!

 

[Overmind One]

As a serious Trek fan, I didnt like Enterprise at all.

I didn't hate Enterprise, but even as a casual Trek fan I could see that it wasn't keeping faith as Trek shows go. I also don't think that the Trek PTB were blatantly lying to Trek fans to trick them into watching. I don't remember any dog treats being dangled nor do I remember hearing any threats about losing out on any Trek movies if I didn't watch Enterprise. I'm sure people have issues with the producers of Enterprise but no matter how you slice it Trek fans weren't treated as shitty by their PTB as Stargate fans have been with BW and crew.

Enterprise could be seen as the SGU of the Trek franchise. It was too different from all other Trek shows in several fundamental ways. Interesting that the technology was similarly crippled in Enterprise like SGU did for Destiny to make way for the dramatic stuff they had planned. And the nature of the Vulcans and Klingons and other established aliens did not match what we saw in other Trek shows. The music was wrong, but most of all the holes in the canon. Brennan Braga was actually adding to canon in a PREQUEL which messed everything up. The show wasnt even called Star Trek until the fans demanded it. But like you said, TPTB didnt threaten fans or blame them for Enterprise's failure.

As an aside, Scott Bacula (sp?) never worked for me in his role. He had no depth but worse, he had no "edge". There was nothing threatening or menacing about him, unlike say Patrick Stewart as Picard who could come off as a genuine bad ass if the need arose.

He has no edge at all...just like you said. He looks non-threatening and his character was more of a diplomat and not much else. And that ship...it just didnt work for me at all. It looks Federation, but it was just not impressive to me. I like NCC 1701 from TOS better.

But to be honest, I recently started watching Enterprise episodes at a time and it wasnt that bad...especially when viewed after watching SGU or Caprica.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

And that ship...it just didnt work for me at all. It looks Federation, but it was just not impressive to me. I like NCC 1701 from TOS better.

I never really cared for the design of the TOS Enterprise myself. The later Enterprises were much sleaker and cooler. The NX01 or whatever the ship in Enterprise is called looks cooler to me than the TOS Enterprise. Voyager rules over them all though, especially with the ablative armor.

But to be honest, I recently started watching Enterprise episodes at a time and it wasnt that bad...especially when viewed after watching SGU or Caprica.

It's good to see you're enjoying yourself with it. But Caprica wasn't all that bad was it? Not in my mind at least. Have you seen the final episode? There's an awesome scene in it where cylons land in a crowded stadium and start liquidating certain people who planned to blow up the arena. Check it out.

 

[Gatefan1976]

I never really cared for the design of the TOS Enterprise myself. The later Enterprises were much sleaker and cooler. The NX01 or whatever the ship in Enterprise is called looks cooler to me than the TOS Enterprise. Voyager rules over them all though, especially with the ablative armor.

GOWARRAARRR UNLEASH GEEK!!

The NX-01 looks good because it is based on later designs for Trek ships (either the Akira class or the Steamrunner class, can't remember off-hand. (geek fail )
They were designed with the Borg in mind to be more "cruiser class" ships (actual warships, as opposed to explorers or science vessels, sorta like an updated miranda class (even though miranda class I believe were just sorta "heavier science vessels"), of which the only one ever seen on screen (I think) is the Defiant class
So really the design is more TNG era than Enterprise era, which is why it looks better

 

[Overmind One]

Good calls!

GOWARRAARRR UNLEASH GEEK!!

The NX-01 looks good because it is based on later designs for Trek ships (either the Akira class or the Steamrunner class, can't remember off-hand. (geek fail )
They were designed with the Borg in mind to be more "cruiser class" ships (actual warships, as opposed to explorers or science vessels, sorta like an updated miranda class (even though miranda class I believe were just sorta "heavier science vessels"), of which the only one ever seen on screen (I think) is the Defiant class
So really the design is more TNG era than Enterprise era, which is why it looks better

Exactly! Another Trek fan? The NX-01 would not have been designed like that in the original timeline. In TOS, the Constitution-Class ships were real warships. The NX-01 looks almost exactly like the Akira class ships from DS9 used in the war with the Dominion with a few differences.

I loved the 1701 because it was HUGE and its floor plan and schematics were well known and published in several Trek publications. I still dont know tha layout of Enterprise NX-01.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Exactly! Another Trek fan? The NX-01 would not have been designed like that in the original timeline. In TOS, the Constitution-Class ships were real warships. The NX-01 looks almost exactly like the Akira class ships from DS9 used in the war with the Dominion with a few differences.

I loved the 1701 because it was HUGE and its floor plan and schematics were well known and published in several Trek publications. I still dont know tha layout of Enterprise NX-01.

Weellll,
Constitution is supposedly an "explorer class" ship IIRC, But, we all know better....

I'm not so much a hardcore trekkie, but I love spaceships (why do you think I actually like the "Destiny")

 

[Overmind One]

Thank you!

http://www.waxingmoondesign.com/DeckPlanMainPage.html

I looked a few years ago and never found anything. Thanks for posting this!

 

[Aragon101]

Well The NX-01 only has a primary hull :p They remade it in "Star Trek Legacy" in a mod with a secondary hull (The "Atlantis" refit) and later added it to expanded canon in a calander (i only know this because of a reallly really geeky friend of mine)

The Akira dwarfs the NX, but i recall reading an article where the designer of the NX insults the Akira saying it's ugly. WTF? They're the same ship except upside down!

I still prefer the Galaxy Class. It wasn't meant to be a warship, it was a flagship of an exploration. The newer 'warship' style classes like the Defiant, Sovereign or Steamrunner or even the Saber just didn't appeal to me as much. I will admit a secret love of the Akira though.

Voyager with the Ablative Armor just reeks of fanwank to me. The ship itself is fine i guess, it's basically a tiny Sovereign class.

Now the ship which makes all other weep in inequity? AGT Enterprise-D



That being said, i still love the refit Enterprise from Wrath of Khan as well. It just had this beauty to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L5vaiVcYe0

 

[Illiterati]

I remember when "Enterprise" came out and fans had a conniption fit over the design of the ship.

The explanation given by TPTB at the time was that the design of "Enterprise's" Enterprise was that design was affected by Cochran, etc., seeing the Enterprise D through the telescope in "First Contact".

If you go along with the idea of being able to change the past using time travel, it does make sense.

 

[Joelist]

Actually I liked the Intrepid (Voyager) and sovereign (Enterprise-E) classes.

The Intrepid made perfect sense as a smaller ship with greater maneuverability and the ability to operate in atmospheres. It filled a gap in Starfleet's inventory - a sort of scout/escort class vessel to compliment the big pounders (Galaxy, Sovereign et al). It packed a powerful punch but being physically smaller meant it lacked endurance (as seen on Voyager from the frequency of supply issues and need to ration power).

The Sovereign also filled a gap in Starfleet's inventory. They needed a true "heavy warship" in light of the threats from the Borg and Dominion. This of course points up an issue with the Insurrection movie, namely that a ship capable of standing toe to toe with a Borg cube should not have been in trouble against Baku ships.

The NX class was allright to me as well - it fit properly into the development of the Star Trek ships.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

I remember when "Enterprise" came out and fans had a conniption fit over the design of the ship.

The explanation given by TPTB at the time was that the design of "Enterprise's" Enterprise was that design was affected by Cochran, etc., seeing the Enterprise D through the telescope in "First Contact".

If you go along with the idea of being able to change the past using time travel, it does make sense.

The way I look at it, the past was never changed. Picard and his crew were always a part of first contact. What it comes down to is Picard's Enterprise was shaped after Cochran's design and Cochran's design was shaped after Picard's Enterprise. The chicken and the egg ey.

 

[Illiterati]

The way I look at it, the past was never changed. Picard and his crew were always a part of first contact. What it comes down to is Picard's Enterprise was shaped after Cochran's design and Cochran's design was shaped after Picard's Enterprise. The chicken and the egg ey.

Trek canon has always maintained that you could change the past.

I'm just going on that tack.

They've done it a few times during and since TOS.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

Trek canon has always maintained that you could change the past.

I'm just going on that tack.

They've done it a few times during and since TOS.

What I meant to say is that for every event where the "past is changed" you can argue that history was always meant to play out that way. Changing the past is a part of the original timeline so to speak. Which would mean that the past/future was in fact never changed. Cool ain't it?!
But I understand what you're saying that they referred to it as changing history in the series.

 

[Illiterati]

What I meant to say is that for every event where the "past is changed" you can argue that history was always meant to play out that way. Changing the past is a part of the original timeline so to speak. Which would mean that the past/future was in fact never changed. Cool ain't it?!
But I understand what you're saying that they referred to it as changing history in the series.

My own outlook in it is much the same as yours. The past being the past, it is set in stone and cannot be changed.

But that would mess up some interesting storylines for shows and movies, so who am I to deny them their happiness?

 

[Stonelesscutter]

My own outlook in it is much the same as yours. The past being the past, it is set in stone and cannot be changed.

But that would mess up some interesting storylines for shows and movies, so who am I to deny them their happiness?

I think you're still not quite feeling me here.
It wouldn't mess up any storylines whatsoever.
It's just a matter of semantics.

 

[Overmind One]

I loved the Intrepid class ships.

Actually I liked the Intrepid (Voyager) and sovereign (Enterprise-E) classes.

The Intrepid made perfect sense as a smaller ship with greater maneuverability and the ability to operate in atmospheres. It filled a gap in Starfleet's inventory - a sort of scout/escort class vessel to compliment the big pounders (Galaxy, Sovereign et al). It packed a powerful punch but being physically smaller meant it lacked endurance (as seen on Voyager from the frequency of supply issues and need to ration power).

The Sovereign also filled a gap in Starfleet's inventory. They needed a true "heavy warship" in light of the threats from the Borg and Dominion. This of course points up an issue with the Insurrection movie, namely that a ship capable of standing toe to toe with a Borg cube should not have been in trouble against Baku ships.

The NX class was allright to me as well - it fit properly into the development of the Star Trek ships.

Something lots of Trek fans know is that the original Constitution-class Enterprise 1701 was designed to do things the later Galaxy Class ships could do (detachable saucer section). In addition to that, the saucer section was supposed to be able to land on planets. The development of the transporter was necessitated by filming constraints and budget, it wasnt by design until later. But TOS never got to show the saucer detaching.

I wished that there were ships in the Sovereign class which were available during DS9 and TNG. I always thought of the Galaxy class as being far too luxurious and "soft" to be considered a warship.

But the Intrepid class ship (Voyager) was one of my favorite ships. Just the right size, clean design and heavily armed. I havent looked for any other Intrepid class ships other than Voyager. I loved seeing different configurations of the Constitution class ships in TOS. And we saw several different Galaxy class configurations too.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Something lots of Trek fans know is that the original Constitution-class Enterprise 1701 was designed to do things the later Galaxy Class ships could do (detachable saucer section). In addition to that, the saucer section was supposed to be able to land on planets. The development of the transporter was necessitated by filming constraints and budget, it wasnt by design until later. But TOS never got to show the saucer detaching.

I wished that there were ships in the Sovereign class which were available during DS9 and TNG. I always thought of the Galaxy class as being far too luxurious and "soft" to be considered a warship.

But the Intrepid class ship (Voyager) was one of my favorite ships. Just the right size, clean design and heavily armed. I havent looked for any other Intrepid class ships other than Voyager. I loved seeing different configurations of the Constitution class ships in TOS. And we saw several different Galaxy class configurations too.

I'll post more on this later, but the Galaxy class ships are NOT warships, they are long term explorer class vessels.
Post more later, net privilages are about to go bye-bye

 

[Overmind One]

If only they had at least SHOWN a more powerful ship.

I'll post more on this later, but the Galaxy class ships are NOT warships, they are long term explorer class vessels.
Post more later, net privilages are about to go bye-bye

I believe that...but we didnt see anything more powerful in TNG's Starfleet (except Riker's future Enterprise with 3 warp nacelles). Even Doctor Crusher's science vessel in that time could do Warp 15.

 

[Tropicana]

Well with the whole Warp 15, it could be a new classification of the warp speeds. I thought anything from Warp 10 onwards are considered to be Transwarp.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

I believe that...but we didnt see anything more powerful in TNG's Starfleet (except Riker's future Enterprise with 3 warp nacelles). Even Doctor Crusher's science vessel in that time could do Warp 15.

Warp 15???
Like tropicana said, that would fall in the transwarp category.
Voyager was the fastest ship in the fleet at warp 9,97.
Then there was this episode where Paris went past warp 10 with a new shuttle and ended up as a lizard having babies with janeway.
Or am I mistaken?