OM? Optimistic? I basically said the same thing you did, but got a bit more detailed. I don't expect them to ditch the rock music but it is an area for improvement.
Killjoys - Cheap but enjoyable
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OM? Optimistic? I basically said the same thing you did, but got a bit more detailed. I don't expect them to ditch the rock music but it is an area for improvement.
I gave you an optimistic for making optimistic suggestions for meaningful improvements to the show's formula.
But this season is canned already. I suspect it will double down on the skin, the sex, and the brawls and gangsterism rather than change. It is not meant to appeal to adults our age, I think...I am being optimistic too.
Jim of WVa
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Once one has the replicator and the holodeck, then there is no reason to invent anything or do anything ever again.
I think we discussed this previously:
http://gatefans.net/gforums/threads/miracle-tech-in-science-fiction.26152/
http://gatefans.net/gforums/threads/miracle-tech-in-science-fiction.26152/
Okay, I get it now. But how does that make it "gay"? I might have gotten "lame" better.
Must be my low IQ 
. Really, you find the holodeck and the replicators unforgivable? I can understand that. I feel that way about the Q and the holographic doctor becoming a sentient separate individual with his magic mobile emitter from the 26th century. Still, it is less completely over the top than Star Wars or Farscape or even SG-Atlantis.But now, more than 200 years in the PAST relative to TNG, we have transwarp beaming, Kahn Reanimation Blood, Red Matter, and hand held weapons that can bring down a Kingon warbird with a single shot....from the ground.
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Jim of WVa
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Okay, I get it now. But how does that make it "gay"? I might have gotten "lame" better.
But now, more than 200 years in the PAST relative to TNG, we have transwarp beaming, Kahn Reanimation Blood, Red Matter, and hand held weapons that can bring down a Kingon warbird with a single shot....from the ground.
I suppose lame or pathetic would be a better word. Replicators can provide all that one might need. The holodecks can provide the other things that one might want. No need for additional progress.
TOS is only 75 years earlier than TNG. A TOS character (McCoy) was a guest on the TNG pilot.
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Gate_Boarder
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Killjoys was given a second season by Bell Media, which owns "Space: The thing that is all around us" TV station.
SyFy has upped Dark Matter for another 13 episode season.
By the looks of it, Expanse will also be seen on "Space" this winter.
SyFy has upped Dark Matter for another 13 episode season.
By the looks of it, Expanse will also be seen on "Space" this winter.
Why is Syfy still playing that PR game with their shows? Killjoys and Dark Matter BOTH got two "seasons" right from the start. Five years ago, a SEASON was 24-26 episodes. Now, 12 episodes is considered a full season in the US. In the UK, the 26-episode seasons became 12, and now they are only 6 episodes.
Having said that, despite the spin, Killjoys was given two "seasons" from the get go, as was Dark Matter. Just sayin!
Which is EXACTLY why they announce that these shows have been "renewed".
Gate_Boarder
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Don't know about the two year automatic renewal on Killjoys. Syfy probably had a two year option on Killjoys - as long as CTV/ Bell Media/ or our "Space Station" re-upped. The ratings were interesting on this as they climbed from the Continuum range of 250,000 all the way up to 500,000, but then they dropped back to 375,000.
Maybe they had questions about the longevity of their investment.
Even though 12 Monkeys, Expanse, and Dark Matter are filmed in Toronto, it is SyFy that pays all the upfront money. In today's announcement they forgot to mention Defiance, which makes me think that this show is more on the bubble than we think.
Maybe they had questions about the longevity of their investment.
Even though 12 Monkeys, Expanse, and Dark Matter are filmed in Toronto, it is SyFy that pays all the upfront money. In today's announcement they forgot to mention Defiance, which makes me think that this show is more on the bubble than we think.
I am not certain (I could find out). But fiscally speaking on both ends, a single 6-episode season is not logical. I do know that Defiance got two years right from the getgo. I also know that Syfy has lied about "renewals" before, like they did with SGU. If it wasnt for the Syfy Exec Craig Engler saying it two years after the fact, we would not have known for sure. There was a press release announcing SGU's "renewal" for season two.
shavedape
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No surprise with Killjoys getting renewed. There's the SyFy two-season guarantee for most live-action shows. Besides, KJ's is cheaply produced which works in its favor when it comes to return on investment vs. ratings.
And no surprise on DM getting renewed either. We figured this out long ago.
And no surprise on DM getting renewed either. We figured this out long ago.
I like that aspect of it.
To do a few CGI scenes of the ships (and they are low polygon models too) flying in space, landing or orbiting around planets is a canned thing that can be composited into any scene. The vast majority of the scenes are in familiar urban settings with a few costume tricks and weird lighting. Cheap = long-lived over at Syfy, just like you implied.
The bolded is spot on. Syfy has not only burned their audience, they also burned production companies (for money considerations). They have not canceled any scripted shows without ending them for a couple of years now. WISE MOVE, Syfy. But somewhat late....still I appreciate it.
If that is their policy per se it makes Caprica harder to understand, as it got whacked during its first season (specifically shortly after they started showing the second half of season one) and they then just burned off the remaining episodes in a middle of the night marathon.
Caprica was whacked before SGU was, and during that time they were still cancelling shows without ending them. Syfy seems to ignore the fact that NuBSG was not a ratings winner AT ALL. It barely squeaked along, and it's short 5 year run was nowhere near the ratings of Stargate Atlantis. Why did they think a show like Caprica was going to fly?