Future of Jobs

Overmind One

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i wonder what is voting record was like? if he did vote, was it for conservatives or libertarians. i can't see him having voted for a liberal

I agree with heisenberg in that he is neither a conservative or a liberal. I do know he has never supported a conservative politician, but he has supported the liberal ideology on many occasions. I would put him in the center of the political spectrum.
 

YJ02

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I agree with heisenberg in that he is neither a conservative or a liberal. I do know he has never supported a conservative politician, but he has supported the liberal ideology on many occasions. I would put him in the center of the political spectrum.

i'd put him right in with Bill Maher
 

Lord Ba'al

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I would put him in neither, since I don't believe in such misguided labels such as left, right, center, libertarian, conservative, democrat or republican.
 

Overmind One

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I would put him in neither, since I don't believe in such misguided labels such as left, right, center, libertarian, conservative, democrat or republican.

I basically agree with this too. :) I have many conservative beliefs, but also many liberal ones. I dumped my political affiliations officially back in 2004. I am now an Independent.
 

Overmind One

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Back to the topic of the thread which is: The Future of Jobs

What I see happening is the deconstructing of the mega corporation structure into smaller, specialized industries. What is the difference between running your business and a "job"? Both require you to be working, so the only difference between a job and your business is who you are doing the work for. Supply and demand is the basis of commerce, and the process does not require money.
 
Back to the topic of the thread which is: The Future of Jobs

What I see happening is the deconstructing of the mega corporation structure into smaller, specialized industries. What is the difference between running your business and a "job"? Both require you to be working, so the only difference between a job and your business is who you are doing the work for. Supply and demand is the basis of commerce, and the process does not require money.

I kinda worry that we're heading into an era of the super-corporation. They seem to control the world so I don't think they will go away easily.

*Here in America we've gone from valuing the dollar to valuing the stock market. Corporations rule the economy via the stock market and they aren't going to give that up. Not to be a conspiracy theorist but our economy is definitely planned that way now. By devaluing the dollar in favor of the stock market they've entrapped generations of people into being dependent on corporations making a profit. Quite frankly, it's bullshit but there's nothing we can do about it now. The beast is far too large to be tamed at this point.
 

Overmind One

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I kinda worry that we're heading into an era of the super-corporation. They seem to control the world so I don't think they will go away easily.

*Here in America we've gone from valuing the dollar to valuing the stock market. Corporations rule the economy via the stock market and they aren't going to give that up. Not to be a conspiracy theorist but our economy is definitely planned that way now. By devaluing the dollar in favor of the stock market they've entrapped generations of people into being dependent on corporations making a profit. Quite frankly, it's bullshit but there's nothing we can do about it now. The beast is far too large to be tamed at this point.

The millennials can deconstruct the corporations only if they stop following them like sheep. To most of them, the layer of existence above the consumer level does not even exist. It's like they think of their products and entertainment cannot exist without a corporation promoting it. Then there is the other segment of the millennials and the rest of America who are actively rejecting corporate influence and spending their money with local independent vendors and individuals performing services. The voting age millennials will be the generation that gives us our first socialist President and government (in the future). Programs like Medicare and Social Security will be an unbearable burden on the economy and they will have to address it.
 

heisenberg

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I kinda worry that we're heading into an era of the super-corporation. They seem to control the world so I don't think they will go away easily.

*Here in America we've gone from valuing the dollar to valuing the stock market. Corporations rule the economy via the stock market and they aren't going to give that up. Not to be a conspiracy theorist but our economy is definitely planned that way now. By devaluing the dollar in favor of the stock market they've entrapped generations of people into being dependent on corporations making a profit. Quite frankly, it's bullshit but there's nothing we can do about it now. The beast is far too large to be tamed at this point.

Stop reading into whatever hyperbole the media writes. They don't know SHIT!
 
Stop reading into whatever hyperbole the media writes. They don't know SHIT!

I'm basing this on reality, not on anything the media writes. In fact, the media never writes about this fact of economic reality. If you study American (and hence world) economics of the 70's from when we went off the Gold standard ( 1972 i.e. back when paper money was last backed by actual gold) you will understand exactly what I'm talking about. Once the value of our money became arbitrarily set via the Fed's fiat metric and controlling of interest rates you can see exactly what happens. (The Fed is a private company btw, not a government entity, go figure.)

You can see what happens after Nixon and the removal of the gold standard. Carter eventually gets in and inflation soars. People with money in the bank were making upwards of 13% because the thinking in the financial industry was still wrapped around the idea that paper money had value. You can see that value drop as corporations grow and the Fed figures out how to manipulate interest rates to the point that banks don't have to pay anything to borrow money. Our entire economy flips and it becomes more profitable (for the big wigs) to invest in the stock market than it does to save actual money.

This was designed to happen.

Just look at the 2000's. The devaluing of paper money is inversely related to the rise of the stock market. People no longer saved money for retirement. They had been conned by the financial system to invest their IRA's and 401K's in the stock market. Why do you think the world freaked out in 2008 when the shit hit the fan? Why do you think leaders like Pres. Bush used phrases like "Too big to fail" as a justification for bailing out Wall Street? Because instead of having actual money in savings accounts people had long ago been conned into investing in the stock market. This is all a corporate scheme. Having profitable interest rates for savings accounts is counter productive to the designs of the corporate banking system.

This isn't rocket science. If you truly want to understand the state we are in right now study economic history. Numbers never lie. Numbers. Never. Lie.

Of course the media isn't going to tell you this. The media is a gigantic corporate monstrosity itself. And it's too stupid to even begin to comprehend economic realities. I mean really, do you expect people like Anderson Cooper to understand and disseminate economic truths to the hoi polloi? The man is a walking, talking dildo. And I say that in all seriousness. The media isn't reporting shit about economics or even finance. Mostly because the average idiot isn't interested in hearing about that stuff. And the people in front of the cameras are employed by, and invested in, giant corporations.

Sorry to say but you guys who think that corporations are going to disappear when the Millenials mature are mistaken. All that Millenials know is corporate related. The universities that they all graduated from are giant corporations. Where they shop, what they do for both work and entertainment, and even the myriad electronic devices that they use non-stop all day, everyday are corporately connected. Millenials will never disconnect from the corporate mindset. Remember those Occupy Wallstreet nimrods? Yeah, each and every one of them is a corporate hand puppet in ways they don't even know.

So, yeah, Weyland Yutani isn't a fictional corporation in a dystopian movie series. It's a legit cautionary tale for our future.

Seig heil my friends -- and make sure you rate your Amazon check-out experience on a scale of 1 to 5 stars! :cameron21:
 

Overmind One

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I'm basing this on reality, not on anything the media writes. In fact, the media never writes about this fact of economic reality. If you study American (and hence world) economics of the 70's from when we went off the Gold standard ( 1972 i.e. back when paper money was last backed by actual gold) you will understand exactly what I'm talking about. Once the value of our money became arbitrarily set via the Fed's fiat metric and controlling of interest rates you can see exactly what happens. (The Fed is a private company btw, not a government entity, go figure.)

You can see what happens after Nixon and the removal of the gold standard. Carter eventually gets in and inflation soars. People with money in the bank were making upwards of 13% because the thinking in the financial industry was still wrapped around the idea that paper money had value. You can see that value drop as corporations grow and the Fed figures out how to manipulate interest rates to the point that banks don't have to pay anything to borrow money. Our entire economy flips and it becomes more profitable (for the big wigs) to invest in the stock market than it does to save actual money.

This was designed to happen.

Just look at the 2000's. The devaluing of paper money is inversely related to the rise of the stock market. People no longer saved money for retirement. They had been conned by the financial system to invest their IRA's and 401K's in the stock market. Why do you think the world freaked out in 2008 when the shit hit the fan? Why do you think leaders like Pres. Bush used phrases like "Too big to fail" as a justification for bailing out Wall Street? Because instead of having actual money in savings accounts people had long ago been conned into investing in the stock market. This is all a corporate scheme. Having profitable interest rates for savings accounts is counter productive to the designs of the corporate banking system.

This isn't rocket science. If you truly want to understand the state we are in right now study economic history. Numbers never lie. Numbers. Never. Lie.

Of course the media isn't going to tell you this. The media is a gigantic corporate monstrosity itself. And it's too stupid to even begin to comprehend economic realities. I mean really, do you expect people like Anderson Cooper to understand and disseminate economic truths to the hoi polloi? The man is a walking, talking dildo. And I say that in all seriousness. The media isn't reporting shit about economics or even finance. Mostly because the average idiot isn't interested in hearing about that stuff. And the people in front of the cameras are employed by, and invested in, giant corporations.

Sorry to say but you guys who think that corporations are going to disappear when the Millenials mature are mistaken. All that Millenials know is corporate related. The universities that they all graduated from are giant corporations. Where they shop, what they do for both work and entertainment, and even the myriad electronic devices that they use non-stop all day, everyday are corporately connected. Millenials will never disconnect from the corporate mindset. Remember those Occupy Wallstreet nimrods? Yeah, each and every one of them is a corporate hand puppet in ways they don't even know.

So, yeah, Weyland Yutani isn't a fictional corporation in a dystopian movie series. It's a legit cautionary tale for our future.

Seig heil my friends -- and make sure you rate your Amazon check-out experience on a scale of 1 to 5 stars! :cameron21:

The bolded is so right...I hold out hope, but it is so true and the corporations have groomed their own consumers right from High School (and before). And they are not being educated to the level they would need to be in order to later helm any of these corporations.
 

heisenberg

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The millennials can deconstruct the corporations only if they stop following them like sheep. To most of them, the layer of existence above the consumer level does not even exist. It's like they think of their products and entertainment cannot exist without a corporation promoting it. Then there is the other segment of the millennials and the rest of America who are actively rejecting corporate influence and spending their money with local independent vendors and individuals performing services. The voting age millennials will be the generation that gives us our first socialist President and government (in the future). Programs like Medicare and Social Security will be an unbearable burden on the economy and they will have to address it.
Please stop this! Not everyone that is a millennial is a sheep. Infact, majority of buyers are above the age of 35 https://www.computerworld.com/artic...apple-s-biggest-fans-are-older-consumers.html
 
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Overmind One

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Please stop this! Not everyone that is a millennial is a sheep. Infact, majority of buyers are above the age of 35 https://www.computerworld.com/artic...apple-s-biggest-fans-are-older-consumers.html

Neither I or anyone else here said that ALL millennials are sheep. But the numbers and observable reality don't lie. The Millennial generation is unlike any previous American generation in terms of their dependence on corporate validation and especially social issues. Entrepreneurs can now make money on the Millennial market by simply saying it helps the planet or is organic or is "gender neutral". But that is beside the point.

Millennials are the ones you see walking the street staring into their phones or using selfie sticks in public. Millennials are the ones who stand in lines outside the Apple store and who buy cheaply made, ugly economy car hybrids for the money that my generation used to pay for a Cadillac or Mercedes, just because of how they make them feel. And you know what? My generation (Boomers) caused this to happen. We developed the marketing techniques which led to this. The same method used to get millennials to buy stuff they don't need is the one that made the Pet Rock a phenomenon before your time. It was an exercise in marketing which turned a common rock into a product, and millions bought them.


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heisenberg

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Neither I or anyone else here said that ALL millennials are sheep. But the numbers and observable reality don't lie. The Millennial generation is unlike any previous American generation in terms of their dependence on corporate validation and especially social issues. Entrepreneurs can now make money on the Millennial market by simply saying it helps the planet or is organic or is "gender neutral". But that is beside the point.

Millennials are the ones you see walking the street staring into their phones or using selfie sticks in public. Millennials are the ones who stand in lines outside the Apple store and who buy cheaply made, ugly economy car hybrids for the money that my generation used to pay for a Cadillac or Mercedes, just because of how they make them feel. And you know what? My generation (Boomers) caused this to happen. We developed the marketing techniques which led to this. The same method used to get millennials to buy stuff they don't need is the one that made the Pet Rock a phenomenon before your time. It was an exercise in marketing which turned a common rock into a product, and millions bought them.


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People around with their selfie sticks is across all age groups. It has nothing to do with a type of demograph. It's down to a cultural thing. It's mainly popular in South East Asia. People buying useless junk - that is everyone is guilty of that including you, but this is how the world works. If people only bought the stuff that they needed, the whole system would collapse and you know this, but you seem to have a strong prejudice towards one particular type of group that did more than what the babyboomers did.
This is what they used to sell.

What do you want people to do exactly though? If people didn't buy stuff, most people would be out of a job.
 

Overmind One

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People around with their selfie sticks is across all age groups. It has nothing to do with a type of demograph. It's down to a cultural thing. It's mainly popular in South East Asia. People buying useless junk - that is everyone is guilty of that including you, but this is how the world works. If people only bought the stuff that they needed, the whole system would collapse and you know this, but you seem to have a strong prejudice towards one particular type of group that did more than what the babyboomers did.
This is what they used to sell.

I am a baby boomer myself (maybe a boomlet). I can't see much in my life that I have bought that could be considered "useless junk". Those commercials you posted belong to the boomers from WWII, not necessarily my segment of that generation. They were aimed at women. And no, the selfie stick thing, Snapchat and Instagram and the growth of companies like Apple is mostly a Millennials thing. Nothing in this world is "all" something. That is a given. There are exceptions to everything. But the vast majority of them are Millennials. I do have some irritation towards that generation because it does not seem to be enough for them to just establish morality and social standards for themselves. They want to impose it on EVERYBODY. They seem to give more weight to emotions and feelings about stuff than scientific reality and logic.
What do you want people to do exactly though? If people didn't buy stuff, most people would be out of a job.

How about the Millennials start creating their own companies and corporations? The notion that if you aren't buying stuff that people would be out of a job is a Millennial mindset. How about they start producing goods and creating the companies they would like to see selling their goods to them? Owning a business or running one is a great job.
 
Please stop this! Not everyone that is a millennial is a sheep. Infact, majority of buyers are above the age of 35 https://www.computerworld.com/artic...apple-s-biggest-fans-are-older-consumers.html

This is definitely a generational thing, and Apple is taking full advantage of it when it comes to young people. In fact their latest commercial is proof of this. It features a snotty post-millenial troll as their (mindless) target demographic.

BTW, people hate this commercial because the girl in it is such a little shit. The comments have been disabled no doubt because people hate her so much when she says "What's a computer?" My God, what a smug little brat. If that commercial had been at all accurate the neighbor would have climbed over the fence and smacked the shit out of that little turd.

 

heisenberg

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I am a baby boomer myself (maybe a boomlet). I can't see much in my life that I have bought that could be considered "useless junk". Those commercials you posted belong to the boomers from WWII, not necessarily my segment of that generation. They were aimed at women. And no, the selfie stick thing, Snapchat and Instagram and the growth of companies like Apple is mostly a Millennials thing. Nothing in this world is "all" something. That is a given. There are exceptions to everything. But the vast majority of them are Millennials. I do have some irritation towards that generation because it does not seem to be enough for them to just establish morality and social standards for themselves. They want to impose it on EVERYBODY. They seem to give more weight to emotions and feelings about stuff than scientific reality and logic.


How about the Millennials start creating their own companies and corporations? The notion that if you aren't buying stuff that people would be out of a job is a Millennial mindset. How about they start producing goods and creating the companies they would like to see selling their goods to them? Owning a business or running one is a great job.
You clearly don't know how the economy works do you? The economy runs due to economic output. People need to buy stuff to get it running
and they are. You seen the ceo of ethereum? He's in his 20s. Infact, a lot of the tech start up companies today are under 30. Mark zuckerberg started facebook when he was just 20, although he did steal the idea but still, that's still young and countless others so your point is mute that people under the age of 35 don't do anything.
 

Overmind One

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You clearly don't know how the economy works do you? The economy runs due to economic output. People need to buy stuff to get it running and they are.
Clearly, I know how it works better than you do. :) Look at the bolded red statement. Blindly "buying stuff" is what this millennial generation is doing (for the most part). The economy (in it's pure form) is based upon supply and demand. There has to be a demand in order for anyone to want to buy or trade for commodities. If there is very little beef and lots of people want it, the usually traded amount can double or triple, and that is inflation. Flood the market with too much beef then demand fades and the value drops. That is how it works.

Now, the Millennials have changed the order from supply and demand to demand and supply. The corporations MANUFACTURE the demand for them, and sales drive the supply requirement. Very efficient for business, very sad and disappointing to the observers of this paradigm shift in the consumer base. All a company like Apple has to do is to announce a new product, and that will create the demand (and manufacture an initial run of units). Then, they see if the product is selling. If the demand is high, then the supply is increased. Very simple and unremarkable for a company. It's the Apple BUYERS who are extraordinary. They will line up and wait for a day in line, go to all their friends and tell them about the product, then when they acquire it they will essentially act as salespeople to increase demand even more. And these people are usually millennials. They are also the ones who go on Instagram and Snapchat and basically act as agents of the corporate system without even realizing it. And it is not even the best product in it's class or market segment!

You seen the ceo of ethereum? He's in his 20s. Infact, a lot of the tech start up companies today are under 30. Mark zuckerberg started facebook when he was just 20, although he did steal the idea but still, that's still young and countless others so your point is mute that people under the age of 35 don't do anything.

C'mon, man. :) Facebook is the EPITOME of the Millennial generation. Zuckerberg has created an empire on the herd-like behaviors of an entire generation worldwide, just like Apple did. Over a billion people who go on his website every day to basically graze and chew cud, just like livestock. Nobody on Facebook is creating anything, they are simply working for Facebook and talking about the different products, places and politics of their lives. Two individuals is hardly a vote of confidence in a generation already more than a billion strong.

Foundation science. That is what the Millennials are missing.
 
You clearly don't know how the economy works do you? The economy runs due to economic output. People need to buy stuff to get it running
and they are. You seen the ceo of ethereum? He's in his 20s. Infact, a lot of the tech start up companies today are under 30. Mark zuckerberg started facebook when he was just 20, although he did steal the idea but still, that's still young and countless others so your point is moot that people under the age of 35 don't do anything.

#1. The word is "moot", not "mute". (Apologies for being a spelling Nazi.)

#2. Yes, it's only natural for creators of tech devices and digital data content to be young since they come from the generation that uses technology and digital data the most. Of course a few of them are going to take advantage of their familiarity with the products to become producers in the industry. But for every producer like Zuckerberg there is literally a billion Millenial/post-Millenial consumers.

The bottom line is that young people today are consumers. They have been raised in a culture of consumption. Nearly every aspect of their lives involves a financial transaction where they are the ones paying out. Other than working for a mediocre corporate paycheck each week you won't find them producing anything of substance. You won't find Millenials building their own homes and/or doing home maintenance and repairs with their own hands. You won't find Millenials making their own meals with their own hands. You won't find Millenials doing their own car maintenance with their own hands. You will rarely find Millenials making their own coffee at home. Hell, you actually have Millenials who pay other people to play video games for them so they can level up without having to do the work. They even pay people to wait in line for them at events like Apple product launches. (How lame is that? :rolleye0014:)

Millenials are debt-heavy because they are primarily consumers. That is Economics #101.

Of course there are a producers who are Millenial age, but they are far outweighed in the population by consumers of the same age. That's just a fact of reality.
 

Overmind One

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#1. The word is "moot", not "mute". (Apologies for being a spelling Nazi.)

#2. Yes, it's only natural for creators of tech devices and digital data content to be young since they come from the generation that uses technology and digital data the most. Of course a few of them are going to take advantage of their familiarity with the products to become producers in the industry. But for every producer like Zuckerberg there is literally a billion Millenial/post-Millenial consumers.

The bottom line is that young people today are consumers. They have been raised in a culture of consumption. Nearly every aspect of their lives involves a financial transaction where they are the ones paying out. Other than working for a mediocre corporate paycheck each week you won't find them producing anything of substance. You won't find Millenials building their own homes and/or doing home maintenance and repairs with their own hands. You won't find Millenials making their own meals with their own hands. You won't find Millenials doing their own car maintenance with their own hands. You will rarely find Millenials making their own coffee at home. Hell, you actually have Millenials who pay other people to play video games for them so they can level up without having to do the work. They even pay people to wait in line for them at events like Apple product launches. (How lame is that? :rolleye0014:)

Millenials are debt-heavy because they are primarily consumers. That is Economics #101.

Of course there are a producers who are Millenial age, but they are far outweighed in the population by consumers of the same age. That's just a fact of reality.

EXACTLY THIS ^^^^^

You said this:

The bottom line is that young people today are consumers. They have been raised in a culture of consumption. Nearly every aspect of their lives involves a financial transaction where they are the ones paying out. Other than working for a mediocre corporate paycheck each week you won't find them producing anything of substance.

The corporations have captured their market of Millennials by getting them to become loyal to brands and by co-opting their emotional connections to things, while at the same time providing less and less information about the product and the company making the product. The same Millennnial using his or her Apple iPhone to post protests about civil rights and unfair work practices is clueless that his phone was made by near-slave labor in China. That same Millennial who turns his or her nose up at Samsung because they like Apple is also clueless that their iPhone uses a Samsung screen and internal components. I bet that somebody is going to come up with "organic water". :facepalm:
 
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