Future of Jobs

Atlantis

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So, I am just wondering what is going to happen in the future where robots and computers may have taken over most of the jobs out there and we will have all this free time to do other things to occupy our brains.

I think it is an interesting topic to discuss. I find anyone from post 1960s has suffered from a bout of monotonous work of doing the same thing due to the computer and we are having so many people with mental health diseases its quite concerning to see. I find myself not challenged. I think back in the renaissance era we had all of this time to make use of these discovery in science, history and even philosophy as well. Whilst these days it is a bit more challenging coming up with an original idea. Or do you think the future will be like more advanced computers and robots with humans working side by side. We are social creatures

What do you think?
 
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Overmind One

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So, I am just wondering what is going to happen in the future where robots and computers may have taken over most of the jobs out there and we will have all this free time to do other things to occupy our brains.

I think it is an interesting topic to discuss. I find anyone from post 1960s has suffered from a bout of monotonous work of doing the same thing due to the computer and we are having so many people with mental health diseases its quite concerning to see. I find myself not challenged. I think back in the renaissance era we had all of this time to make use of these discovery in science, history and even philosophy as well. Whilst these days it is a bit more challenging coming up with an original idea. Or do you think the future will be like more advanced computers and robots with humans working side by side. We are social creatures

What do you think?

I think that such an economy which is driven mostly by automated workers would have to be a socialist one. As long as profit is the incentive to create business and do business, that it will be stifling and continue to cause poverty and homelessness. Socialism in a high tech context would allow people to feel less pressure and to be more creative and productive.
 

Lord Ba'al

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I think we are going to face extreme bad times due to the continuing automation. Unemployment will be staggering and as a result nobody will have money to be able to live a decent life. There is no avoiding a collapse of society unless capitalism is completely abandoned.
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
I think we are going to face extreme bad times due to the continuing automation. Unemployment will be staggering and as a result nobody will have money to be able to live a decent life. There is no avoiding a collapse of society unless capitalism is completely abandoned.
I don't see Robots taking over jobs that still require human elements. The whole automation requirement has grossly been exaggerated. The only profession that lost Job through automation was the elevator man/women. To this day most of the AI suck ass. Microsoft turned on their AI character and it turned into a fascist Neo-nazi so all this bullshit talk about automation taking over our jobs is just a way to sell a story.
 

Overmind One

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I don't see Robots taking over jobs that still require human elements. The whole automation requirement has grossly been exaggerated. The only profession that lost Job through automation was the elevator man/women. To this day most of the AI suck ass. Microsoft turned on their AI character and it turned into a fascist Neo-nazi so all this bullshit talk about automation taking over our jobs is just a way to sell a story.

The rough rule of thumb when identifying things that can be automated is that if it can be made into a step by step process, that process can be automated. And some things that have no process can be given a process so that those tasks which go towards doing something can be automated.

Conversely, some things can never be automated. You cannot automate emotions, empathy, sex, laughter, the reactions and behaviors of pets and friends, or the weather. You cannot ever automate genius or creativity.
 

Lord Ba'al

Well Known GateFan
I don't see Robots taking over jobs that still require human elements. The whole automation requirement has grossly been exaggerated. The only profession that lost Job through automation was the elevator man/women. To this day most of the AI suck ass. Microsoft turned on their AI character and it turned into a fascist Neo-nazi so all this bullshit talk about automation taking over our jobs is just a way to sell a story.

I'm not saying this will happen soon, like this year, but eventually it will happen. I'm pretty sure that even I if given enough time could write software that could take over a big chunk of my call center job which would essentially make 75% or more of the current staff obsolete. It's actually dazzling to me that this hasn't already been done coz it's really not that difficult if enough time and effort is invested in structuring it properly.
 

Atlantis

Well Known GateFan
So, this is the talk about automation. How automation created new jobs like bank tellers when atm were replaced from people. I think as humans we are born to have that human interaction and so new and more complex jobs may need to be created to help people. Its funny the old are reminiscent of the past whilst my generation wants everything new and advance and complex.

 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
I'm not saying this will happen soon, like this year, but eventually it will happen. I'm pretty sure that even I if given enough time could write software that could take over a big chunk of my call center job which would essentially make 75% or more of the current staff obsolete. It's actually dazzling to me that this hasn't already been done coz it's really not that difficult if enough time and effort is invested in structuring it properly.
Never, ever! People said the same thing about vinyl, but vinyl is still around. The thing is no matter how good the software is, you'll need an AI as large as the population of the earth information combined. With today's tech that is just not possible to process/comprehend. We still struggle to get close to the capability of the human brain, how are we going to do with for 9-12 billion people let alone one? As long as there are people, people will need people. The people that will get the flicko will be the plebs that don't do anything.
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
I'm not saying this will happen soon, like this year, but eventually it will happen. I'm pretty sure that even I if given enough time could write software that could take over a big chunk of my call center job which would essentially make 75% or more of the current staff obsolete. It's actually dazzling to me that this hasn't already been done coz it's really not that difficult if enough time and effort is invested in structuring it properly.
 

Lord Ba'al

Well Known GateFan
Never, ever! People said the same thing about vinyl, but vinyl is still around. The thing is no matter how good the software is, you'll need an AI as large as the population of the earth information combined. With today's tech that is just not possible to process/comprehend. We still struggle to get close to the capability of the human brain, how are we going to do with for 9-12 billion people let alone one? As long as there are people, people will need people. The people that will get the flicko will be the plebs that don't do anything.

Here's an interesting view from Kevin Kelly on what the future of the web might look like.

Comparing vinyl and the future of the job market doesn't fly by the way. It's just not in any way comparable. Besides that, do you still see people using massive amounts of casette tapes? Or even minidisc? How about grammophones? Even CDs are rapidly becoming extinct, unfortunately. Vinyl is just an exception.

I also don't see any reason why the scenario I suggested would require an AI with the scope of what you said. Lots of tasks can be done by relatively unsophisticated AIs.

Here's something else that's interesting. We're gonna have to leave cyber security completely in the hands of AI, because hackers are using AI to make attacks and there's no way a human could ever stop them.
http://gizmodo.com/hackers-have-alr..._source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
 

Quetesh

Well Known GateFan
If they have seen WALLE, we should all be good. Just push it out in the theatres every few years and we should remember to not make ourselves obsolete enough to keep it under control.
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
Here's an interesting view from Kevin Kelly on what the future of the web might look like.

Comparing vinyl and the future of the job market doesn't fly by the way. It's just not in any way comparable. Besides that, do you still see people using massive amounts of casette tapes? Or even minidisc? How about grammophones? Even CDs are rapidly becoming extinct, unfortunately. Vinyl is just an exception.

I also don't see any reason why the scenario I suggested would require an AI with the scope of what you said. Lots of tasks can be done by relatively unsophisticated AIs.

Here's something else that's interesting. We're gonna have to leave cyber security completely in the hands of AI, because hackers are using AI to make attacks and there's no way a human could ever stop them.
http://gizmodo.com/hackers-have-alr..._source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
I used a so called smart Automatic Teller Machine the other day, and I was forced to go to the teller. Infact, as there are more people going to the teller than going to the Automatic Teller Machine. Continue to believe that AI will take over the world. Good luck with that. The only time that AI might take over our jobs is when we create an intelligent being capable of critical thinking which won't be for another 4-500 years.
 

Overmind One

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I used a so called smart Automatic Teller Machine the other day, and I was forced to go to the teller. Infact, as there are more people going to the teller than going to the Automatic Teller Machine. Continue to believe that AI will take over the world. Good luck with that. The only time that AI might take over our jobs is when we create an intelligent being capable of critical thinking which won't be for another 4-500 years.

Seriously? (bolded). Wow. In California, most everyone goes to the ATM and nobody goes into branches. They closed a bunch of branches over the years, but they are selling still more and going into small spaces inside of markets and retail stores, closing their standalone branches. Fortunately, the pay-by-phone thing has not taken hold here at all. People are ignoring Google Pay, Apple Pay, virtual credit cards, etc. The plastic card is money here. You can stroll into any branch of bank and get right to a teller. I remember days when it took an hour to get to a teller.
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
Seriously? (bolded). Wow. In California, most everyone goes to the ATM and nobody goes into branches. They closed a bunch of branches over the years, but they are selling still more and going into small spaces inside of markets and retail stores, closing their standalone branches. Fortunately, the pay-by-phone thing has not taken hold here at all. People are ignoring Google Pay, Apple Pay, virtual credit cards, etc. The plastic card is money here. You can stroll into any branch of bank and get right to a teller. I remember days when it took an hour to get to a teller.
Go to a branch on a saturday morning to see how much money gets sents through to China/SEA/Europe/Russia through wire transfer and you'll find out how popular it is. The fact is, people's jobs won't die off, they'll just become more specialized.
 

Lord Ba'al

Well Known GateFan
I used a so called smart Automatic Teller Machine the other day, and I was forced to go to the teller. Infact, as there are more people going to the teller than going to the Automatic Teller Machine. Continue to believe that AI will take over the world. Good luck with that. The only time that AI might take over our jobs is when we create an intelligent being capable of critical thinking which won't be for another 4-500 years.

If you go back a couple of posts, you will see I was referencing automation, not artificial intelligence. Those are two completely different things.
 
When it comes to the "job" of being a wife or girlfriend, well, one thing that will happen (and is already happening in Japan) is that more and more men will opt out of relationships with women and will instead find succor in the latex arms of "sex bots". From what I understand they now make certain models that actually talk, but why any guy would want to hear a woman jabber before, during or after sex is beyond me. They need to eliminate the voice option and install a sandwich making mode instead. When they do that these things will fly off the shelves!

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heisenberg

Earl Grey
If you go back a couple of posts, you will see I was referencing automation, not artificial intelligence. Those are two completely different things.
I still don't see automation or AI or whatever stuff these people are saying are going to do.All these Ted talks are just that. Talks. They are like politicians. All talk and gossip but very little action.
 

YJ02

Well Known GateFan
So, I am just wondering what is going to happen in the future where robots and computers may have taken over most of the jobs out there and we will have all this free time to do other things to occupy our brains.

I think it is an interesting topic to discuss. I find anyone from post 1960s has suffered from a bout of monotonous work of doing the same thing due to the computer and we are having so many people with mental health diseases its quite concerning to see. I find myself not challenged. I think back in the renaissance era we had all of this time to make use of these discovery in science, history and even philosophy as well. Whilst these days it is a bit more challenging coming up with an original idea. Or do you think the future will be like more advanced computers and robots with humans working side by side. We are social creatures

What do you think?

there is already talk ( on NPR at least :) ) of a 'national guaranteed income' movement to offset this problem

like the proles have on THE EXPANSE and I think a few european nations have (finland? sweden? not sure)

yes- if it happened it wouldn't 'create free time for ppl to become what they want' for most, it would create a society of professional, demotivated loafers ,paid to do nothing

the move to automate everything is just a financial money saver for the big corps--so long as we all still get a way to buy their stuff-they don't care-govt will follow their lead
 
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