Tesla/Space x
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Lord Ba'al
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Elon Musk is in the Netflix show Mars.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4939064/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt
Although he is not mentioned in the credits there.
By the way, the ever annoying Dr. Kavanagh from our beloved Stargate Atlantis (and I think SG-1 at first as well) appears to be starring in it.
The wife tells me it's part a TV show and part a documentary, and it's a miniseries.
Anyway, Elon Musk is in it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4939064/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt
Although he is not mentioned in the credits there.
By the way, the ever annoying Dr. Kavanagh from our beloved Stargate Atlantis (and I think SG-1 at first as well) appears to be starring in it.
The wife tells me it's part a TV show and part a documentary, and it's a miniseries.
Anyway, Elon Musk is in it.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
lol ...my wife just pointed something out . Every movie we see about Mars ends in disaster so why would anyone want to go to Mars ...
The Martian was a win.
PussyGalore
Meow
Yeah but what he went through sucked donkey balls. It was a basically Mars torture porn.
*I actually did like the movie though and had no problem suspending my disbelief when it became necessary. (Like with the deadly dust storm on the surface of the planet which technically is impossible and would never happen that way.)
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
I wish I could force the governments of the world to give Elon Musk one TRILLION dollars to just go nuts with his ideas and technology. 
. Now, we need a physicist to rise who thinks outside the box and not within the prison of Einsteinian zealots.
. Now, we need a physicist to rise who thinks outside the box and not within the prison of Einsteinian zealots.
Tripler
Well Known GateFan
OMG buddy find a bleepin razor for bleeps sakes ... He looks like a street bum ... I did not watch that vid because of him ...
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
OMG buddy find a bleepin razor for bleeps sakes ... He looks like a street bum ... I did not watch that vid because of him ...
Which one of them?
Anyway, try this tweet then.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Yeah...wishful thinking there Musk. You are getting way ahead of yourself there. More like 3060 not 2060.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
Maybe not 2060, but certainly way before 3060. By that time Mars should be completely terraformed an colonized. 
Why does Elon Musk and Google think that driverless cars are going to be such a thing? I DON'T WANT to be driven around by my car. I actually LIKE TO DRIVE. Also, I do not think AI will ever become the threat they think it will become. In order for AI to be dangerous, it needs to be armed with something to coerce humans. Weapons, the ability to enforce laws, being able to physically confine, etc.
PussyGalore
Meow
I'm surprised there isn't express service to O'Hare already. It's a no-brainer for large city airports.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
They are not removing the option for people to drive but giving people the option of sitting back incase, they don't feel like driving. I agree that we all like to drive, but the point of driveless cars is remove the extra bit of worries in life. Humans while are needed at the wheel, they are the reason why accidents happen and this is a fact. Most drivers have bad habits such as reaching out for their mobile phones whilst driving. I like to have driveless cars incase I am either tired and just want to be a passenger.
In regards to AI, let me explain to why they maybe dangerous. AI initially won't be dangerous, but they'll see us as an inconvenience, a nuisance if you will. AI once it becomes selfaware as it follows a set of tasks/procedures that has been programmed and it will continue to grow and most importantly LEARN what is the information its being fed and its intelligence will grow at an exponential rate. It's like the replicators in Stargate and how they went to go from bugs to being self aware. AI will be a new species if safeguards are not programmed in from the start, but that I feel will only be temporary as it will find a way to crack that code as it will redesign itself to either work around that problem, or reprogram itself completely and that it breaks that limitation or padlock if you will. This is exactly how certain bacteria gain resistance to antibiotics and drugs. All it takes is one small variations in the genes, which causes it to become immune to antibiotics and soon it will simply create a copy of that design and pass it around and eventually that safeguard will become useless.
This sort of thing has taken place in nature. As you can see with us, we have managed to crack science and crack the code by beating diseases and create vaccines and treatment for nasty diseases out there and because of that we now have an immune system through billions of years of evolution and failure through natural selection but the thing with AI is that the evolution won't take millions of years but could potentially take only decades! We will have a growing demand for AI as they'll be able to do shit better/faster/quicker/easier and save a lot of time and money which is what corporations want and what the public want. AI will want to help solve unsolve crimes that has been laying dormant for years or even decades as we don't have clues or aren't able to join the pieces fast enough to bring people to justice. They'll be in high demand EVERYWHERE because everyone wants them as they'll be able to do shit better.
Biological species such as humans have a lot of flaws. Despite millions of years of evolution, we still have a lot of flaws. We die, we get diseases, get slow, start to age/breakdown. This is where AI comes into play and which is why AI at first will help out overcome our shortfalls and cure our problems, but who will protect us from AI? It will be all wonderful at first, but all it takes is one wrong step for a great idea to turn bad. We see it with nature all the time. A lot of things we use in real life and take for granted are used for the wrong things and that number is growing.
Once that motion of AI starts, it can't be stopped or slowed down. No doubt, that once it starts, it will be very hard to control. Stephen Hawkins shares my visions EXACTLY and I watched the video after I had thought of it. His view at the end.
I feel that as humans, we will either become a part of a collective of the AI or...follow a resistance. The BORG! You as a Science Fiction fan should know this already that this very future can be very much be a reality.
The evolution for AI will be significantly shorter than life on Earth as the rate of acceleration will be exponential. Like I said, you are all working towards a single unified entity. Enjoy the ride and Enjoy your life of what you have. Sorry for the deep brain wave. I Absolutely love Science Fiction. It is something I have enjoyed reading and which is why I come here but it's also scary when you look at the future.
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heisenberg
Earl Grey
This is a great video to end on a positive stuff about space x/tesla. I hate to see the human race die. We can do so much more and so much great things despite our past history.
We have had driverless cars for decades. They are called Taxis, Limos and Buses. Sometimes it's random drivers stopping because you had your thumb out. Elon is talking cars with no steering wheels (his words). That means I do not have the option, and I am voting NO on that idea. Those "extra bit of worries" in life are what make us strong, and force us to learn how to deal with the risk of doing things in our lives. I DO NOT WANT to live in somebody's idea of a safe space, especially without my permission.
Any of what you mention in that scenario still requires that the AI be given a way to act on it's "wishes". It will be irrelevant if a self-aware AI wants to take over the world and kill humans if it is contained within a rack in a server room. So what? No nation is ever going to put it's nuclear arsenal or military strike capabilities under the control of a computer which can act autonomously. It's a popular scifi trope, but it will never happen. Just how much of a threat is a hungry shark you are watching in a tank through a 6" thick window? How dangerous is a chess computer? No supercomputer ever created has ever been put in charge of anything which can inflict harm upon others.
Perhaps, but Nature's evolutionary secrets are FAR beyond Man's understanding, and humans really think they have self-elevated themselves to that status.
The body has been creating vaccines and curing diseases since before humans were Homo Sapiens. It's called Natural Selection and the evolution of the human immune system. Our vaccines and dependence on prescription medicines and artificial chemicals have degraded the human immune system.I welcome AI in many areas of my life. I enjoy being able to talk to my tech and have it do things for me like maintain my calendar, remind me of things, wake me up, start my coffee brewer, turn lights on and off by voice, many things. I do NOT want it giving me shaves in the morning, driving me to work, answering my voicemails or emails, investing my money or pet/babysitting. Corporations will use it to replace people in their companies, but by the time enough people have lost their jobs, capitalism will have crashed (or been brought down by revolution).
Aging is not a flaw. Getting diseases is not a flaw. Life is not forever, and AI is not going to change that. It will be those dependent on AI who will be the weakest humans on earth, because they will be unfit to survive in the Natural World like humans were evolved to do. I think your line of thought is interesting, but AI needs help to get to the lofty areas of control and saturation you are talking about. How is that going to happen? The executives of the very corporations will be as threatened by AI being used to do their jobs as the line workers. They would have incentive to sabotage AI. Who is going to cast votes to have AI take over government or law enforcement?
Okay, but I dunno...I am not seeing AI do a Colossus or a Skynet on us.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Yes, but there is a greater risk involved either down to caused by human error, or the driver doing other wrong things. The other thing is that you need to pay people wages i..e the taxi drivers hence the reason why Uber is now teaming up with NASA because they want to have flying cars. You don't think they'll team up with Tesla/Google/Apple to have driveless flying cars? Autonomous cars are the future because people cause accidents either being under the influence of alcohol/drugs/or lack of sleep. Humans are flawed.
https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
Again, you are not the target audience but the general public. I.e. people from the high socio economic background. The super rich have achieved everything they wanted to achieve. Now they want to better humanity by entertaining those that deserve it to pass the time and continue the liberal way. The only reason why this is happening now is because people don't want petrol cars anymore and that there is a company like tesla that is the forefront of EV. EV should have been the first choice but the only reason why it wasn't was because it didn't have a great company like Tesla to back that up, nor did the car companies have any faith in the technology at the time. People were sceptical about the mleage/it's adoptability, it's durability and costs, which is why it never caught on and the oil companies lobbying and paying politicians to allow tax exemptions and allowing of illegal oil drilling so both would get a cut in the deal and the share price would go up. The other thing was that the technology at the time was that it was cheaper to dig for oil because it was so easy to find and we as humans will always find the path of least resistance without thinking it through. I still believe that there is better tech out there compared to EV and there always will be such as hydrogen but there needs a company to back it up. I know many are saying that it's extremely expensive to dig for hydrogen but that can quickly change if the right about money is poured into hydrogen and you have the right company following a movement.
I know that at this stage that we have low level tech for things such as nuclear weapons but AI can re-write this and future government can change this too.
You are thinking very linear which is a given to most humans, but have a look at the past and SEE how much progress we have made. Humans naturally think linear because that's what we have been lead to believe and grown up with but progress does not go linear, it accelerates at an alarming rate. The big bang theory happened 13 billion years ago, the solar system began around 5 billion years ago, the earth is around 4 billion years old, life began 300 million years old, dinosaurs were around for 160 million years, apes came around 6 million years ago, the human race came around 200,000 years old. The industrial revolution is only 200 years old. The internet is only 28 years old. It's younger than everyone here, but it is so vast and filled with so much human knowledge/wisdom and a place for all of us to go on during our spare time.Perhaps, but Nature's evolutionary secrets are FAR beyond Man's understanding, and humans really think they have self-elevated themselves to that status.
I hope you can see where I am coming from? The world is accelerating and that is why time feels like it is moving faster because it is.
Hell, you can fit 512GB in this small Micro SD card FFS!
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Could you have imagined this 10 years ago? Hell 5 years ago? I fucking wouldn't have.
Well, tough shit. AI exists everywhere you go. From using amazon, to using your phone to using Google, they all use AI as they all follow a set of tasks and procedures to produce a result. Most people think of AI as being robots but they have the idea of AI all wrong. AI has been around for quite a while and it is growing faster and smarter each day because people are feeding it information such as with Google searches and their search algorithm constantly are being worked on and produce better outcome. AI is a broad term and often misunderstood term.
I see us moving towards a unified currency or a form of exchange currency that will be similar to the concept of money but will be used in different ways. People will still have jobs, but they won't be part of the elitist like I said because it will be the rich, the powerful and the celebrities that will be immortalized and part of the 1% who will get the live life to the absolute.
Sorry but ageing is a flaw. We grow old and die because our purpose in life is to reproduce and to create a better copy of ourselves and pass on our knowledge to the newer generation. This is how evolution occurred. It occurred through a lot of failed attempts. Ageing slows us down and we are more prone to being vulnerable just like any computer system. You are right that AI needs help, but we have already started the process. Google each day stores searches for its own research/analytical purposes. What purpose is still questionable but it collection method is sold to various bodies, such as marketing firms, SEO companies, law enforcement and to you and me to produce a better/quicker and more accurate outcome. You might think capitalism will collapse tomorrow, but I would like to inform you that a country like India banned the 1000 rupees and 500 rupees because it was used by criminals in the underworld and he did this overnight. Did the country shutdown? Nope but a lot of people were shocked so don't say never.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37919292
Not initially no but that can quickly change. Not only that but the tech can fall into the wrong hands not only that you are thinking very linear when progress is exponential.
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Humans are creating this tech you are so afraid of. Yep, us FLAWED humans. When you can convince me that flawed beings can create perfection, I would be very interested in seeing that.
Let those people too lazy ot inept to handle driving go ahead and be driven around by their cars. They will be in the same class as babies being pushed in their strollers by their mommies. Sure, give us flying cars and driverless vehicle OPTIONS, but don't try and take the option of driving my self away, and that is what Elon Musk is talking about. I love his tech, but let's leave the implementation to others better suited to the task.Unless the new EV tech is cheaper than owning and operating a gasoline driven vehicle, then people will not be buying them. Simple as that. The vast majority of cars on the road are more than 2 years old, and half of all vehicles on US roads are more than 5 years old. More than 90% of all electric vehicles are leased. Sorry, but I am not interested, and you are right, I am not the "target" audience (very apropos term for them!).
Actually, AI has already written the firing solutions and also controls the flight paths of all cruise missiles and drones (within basic guidelines). I am talking about the scenario you talk about where AI "takes over" like in Terminator. That is just not going to happen. If AI is never given any levers to pull or a way to hurt humans in some way, it can never threaten Humanity. That is my point. Who is it exactly that will be pushing for AI to be given more control over our lives? Not even the super rich can do that.
Um, no. I do not think linear at all.
I live, think and learn in 3D like real life. I have more than half a century of life experience and more than 30 years deeply immersed in technology behind me already. I am an early adopter, and I understand the tech. I am also very well versed in the tech development timeline. Having said that, I do not think of our advancement of tech as being at all "alarming". It's just that I think you are ignoring the socio-political machine that gives tech it's importance and purpose. Elon Musk can put his Tesla on the road, but society has to buy the cars and approve of the tech. A string of crashes or a death of one key individual while behind the wheel of a Tesla could kill the company. Special interest groups could ban the batteries, all sorts of political events can and do control the expansion of technology.The big bang theory is about 70 years old, and is a theory not empirical fact. Just wanting to be factually accurate here! Science only has theories about the ages of the universe, of the solar system and even Man himself. But I get what you are saying.
YES! I did imagine it, because it was in science fiction already. I did not see the mega online corporations coming though. I always imagined the global network was going to be part of the infrastructure, not a product to be sold or controlled by ISPs. I did not see a Google sitting on top of the internet censoring things and selectively presenting search results to people. I also did not see the changes in the educational system. I always assumed that the classroom would move into the home through the network, and that it would be FREE. I did see super dense storage systems coming. I saw the miniaturization of computers coming, big screens and interactive talking computers. Cause it was all in Star Trek!
You missed the point. You have posted several times that you think AI will become a threat, and that is just not going to happen because it has no way to threaten anyone. It can't write me a ticket, or have me arrested, or shoot me or restrict my movement or prevent me from doing whatever I want to do, so where is the threat? Nobody is going to vote to have a machine do any of those things. Perhaps you could speculate about how this might happen for AI?
I see capitalism collapsing completely, to be replaced by a socialist system where money will not be used at all. There will be no super rich, because money will be worthless. And precedent for this is already historical fact. Fist money systems ALWAYS fail. Always.
That's life, not a flaw. It would be very stupid for Nature to create life and not make it die to make room for new life. We were not meant to live forever, otherwise we would not reproduce. That is not a flaw, that is life, and it works just fine.
Capitalism will not die tomorrow, and probably not in my lifetime, but it WILL die. It will have to if we are going to ever unite as a species.
As I said before, I do not think linear, I think in 3D (actually 4D if you include time). Perhaps you should not assume such things.
BTW, around how old are you again? Just curious.