Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
Is that your way of saying that when people get older they should be fired?
Tesla/Space x
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Is that your way of saying that when people get older they should be fired?
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
well....innovation goes down with a older employees! The reason we sent men to the moon was because our young engineers BELIEVED they could!
I don't mean to pry, but how old are you?
Nevermind, it's meant sort of rhetorically.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
I'm 54.... and stats prove that innovation goes down with age. Psych degree here. I love stats!
I admit I am not nearly as innovative when I was a young mom in my 20's.Now when i deal with little ones I just make popcorn or bribe them with cookies.
What did you used to do to deal with little ones when you were 20? Or does 20 count as little ones?
Jim of WVa
Well Known GateFan
I laugh at the things people did to quiet children in the 19th century. A little whiskey in the baby bottle. Heroin is the best cure for teething pain.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
Lol. You make it sound like Rac's from the 19th century.
I would mark my own posts as derailing but unfortunately I can't.
Back to Tesla/SpaceX?
Lol. You make it sound like Rac's from the 19th century.
I would mark my own posts as derailing but unfortunately I can't.
Back to Tesla/SpaceX?
Rac80 is a few years YOUNGER than I am.
I agree that innovating becomes much less important, but I feel like I am walking around with those revealing shades they wore in They Live:You DO get much much MUCH wiser with age, unless illness takes that important part of your life away from you. You get to see dozens, hundreds perhaps thousands of variations on a single theme in people and places you visit. You can connect the dots because you can see them. You are no longer exploring the map, you are using the map to plot your strategy and to understand the movements of others within it. You can predict outcomes with surprising accuracy because you have experience. This counts for a lot.
The only thing that trumps experience is vision. Elon Musk is a visionary. Jules Verne, Bucky Fuller, Gene Roddenberry and Carl Sagan were visionaries. Neal DeGrasse Tyson, Stephen Hawking and Steve Jobs were NOT visionaries (IMO), even if they are accomplished. One mark of a visionary is that they are never "specialists". They have a wide variety of outlets and mediums for their visionary expressions.
Groupthink is never visionary. Just efficient.
Rac80
The Belle of the Ball
when I was 20 I was able to think of more entertaining games and fun things to do with little ones...now that i'm older I will sometimes just plunk a kid down in front of a tv or feed them. I think when you reach "a certain age" you can become enmeshed in "groupthink" -nothing new or exciting just what's safe and will preserve your job. It's a fact of organizational psychology that the younger the employee the more likely they are to think outside the box.
I think when you reach "a certain age" you can become enmeshed in "groupthink" -nothing new or exciting just what's safe and will preserve your job. It's a fact of organizational psychology that the younger the employee the more likely they are to think outside the box.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
I'm going on 39 and consider myself an out of the box thinker. At what age is this complacency supposed to set in?when I was 20 I was able to think of more entertaining games and fun things to do with little ones...now that i'm older I will sometimes just plunk a kid down in front of a tv or feed them.
when I was 20 I was able to think of more entertaining games and fun things to do with little ones...now that i'm older I will sometimes just plunk a kid down in front of a tv or feed them.
THIS is what they are seeking to destroy in today's colleges. This is why they have created "trigger events" and "safe spaces", and why they have created Participation Trophy events. Nobody gets to win or compete, because that is so unfair. We are ALL winners, right? (cue Kumbaya).
The reality is that the world is full of winners AND losers. They both need each other for definition of terms. Without losers, you don't see the winners. Tesla is a winner. In this game, NASA is the loser, and because it is costing me lots of money and not delivering much in return, I would like to see my portion of tax money go to Tesla. Specifically Elon Musk. The man will free us from the electric grid structure and give us some of our independence and freedom (and MONEY) back. And I bet my bottom dollar that he will be primarily responsible for landing us on Mars, and not NASA.
NEVER.
It isn't complacency that sets in (at least not for me). It is wisdom. You no longer have to figure things out. You simply apply the solutions you have learned to apply over many years of experience. It makes your life easier, and if you do not fill in that new mental leisure time, you will become complacent and bored.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
NEVER.
Basically what you just said is that you don't bother coming up with new and potentially better ideas because you already have something that somewhat works. That sounds more boring to me than coming up with new ideas.
Actually, no. Once you know something so well that you "know it inside out", you can simply apply the solution, but do it in a myriad of ways. Do you have any idea how easy it is to do the same thing a million different ways? Humans do it every day.
Everything is based on a simple central theme. All that changes are locales, players, visuals and environment. For instance, the act of eating...it can happen millions...billions of ways. . You can't get there unless you have experienced at least thousands. That comes with time.
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Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
I don't think the act of eating generally requires much thought. You can eat with your hands or with cutlery or perhaps other tools. You can eat through a straw. Generally it always goes in through the mouth but the nose is sometimes an option and perhaps other ways after surgical alteration. Perhaps a better example?
Rac80
The Belle of the Ball
some people are ALWAYS out of the box thinkers. Some people aren't at any age too!
This is also very true. I have been running and playing and growing outside the box since forever.
I am still doing it at almost 6 decades behind me.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Success is if you can take the risk and know you won't fail. Some people are just born lucky and some people that are born in this universe are only lucky because they were born, a few perks in life here and there, but most people are average or above average and you and I fall in that bell curve. In life you require a lot of luck. If you have a nice name you will be successful. If you have a shitty, unpronounceable, unmemorable full name, uncommon name(yours truly), then you will not be successful. Look at all the people who are millionaires and are very successful, they all have great names.NEVER.
There is a LOT in a name. I don't think ethnic names which are traditional would hurt anybody, but made up names like some of the ridiculously ill-chosen ghetto and trash names names you hear in the US definitely hurt those with such names. My family is very traditional and we all have traditional familiar names.
What I meant is the experience of eating.
You can do it on the run, in a formal setting, as a celebration, as a ritual, outdoors, in a plane, on a boat, etc etc etc. And the variety of foods can be done as a theme. A "seafood" dinner, or a vegetarian dinner, or a "barbeque", so many ways. At the core of it all is the simple act of eating. You realize that the basic instinctual human hunter-gatherer behaviors have been directed into what we call "shopping". Our natural human curiosity has been co-opted by advertising and sales, sexuality has become a commodity, etc. You can't explain the clarity of vision you come to at maturity to those who are not yet aware on that level. But you can share the experience and hope.