should jury duty be compulsory?

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
in england--not sure about "commonwealth" nations (gf do you guys get to share in the common-wealth of great britian?) instead of reading a court case as "the people vs...." its "the crown vs...". As if you did something to personally offend her Majesticness

How old school conservative...
Yes, we are a commonwealth member, and yes it is the crown rather than the state being represented (as the complainant)
We even get robes and silly wigs like were at Hogwarts :lol:

I tell you though, being in the courtroom when everyone is dressed up in those robes and wigs does lend a serious air of reality to the situation.
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
you guys need to sit in rooms counselling pregnant teenage girls with bruises from their "Romeo"s and try to explain to them that is NOT how a man treats the woman he loves. You will hear Rihanna's name mentioned - hell even Nigella Lawson. We are socialisng our girls to expect shitty treatment from the men in their lives. How you ask - #1 cause- missing fathers in the home! They don't have a father who treats them well or treats their mothers well so they look to pop culture to tell them how it should be done. This "situation" with Ray Rice isn't new- the NFL has had spousal abuse problems for DECADES!


"Spousal abuse", "domestic violence" - let's call it what it really is - ASSAULT! if these guys beat up other MEN the way they do the women they supposedly "love", they'd be doing jail time! We have Mike Tyson still out there making a living on TV (Convicted RAPIST), OJ is finally in jail (But not for murdering his ex-wife), and Roman Polanski is lionized in Europe because everyone ignores his rape of a 13 year old girl. (Pedophile). Don't get me started on this issue- there is so much injustice towards women who are abused- most don't understand the psychological damage that was done long before the man actually raised his hand to hit her- so can't understand why she stays. He's got her trained to think she "deserves" this treatment - and at times her family and so-called friends will even support the batterer. ESPECIALLY when there is money involved. I don't blame the woman - I blame those around her who didn't help her see that she does not deserve this treatment.


Full - disclosure: I must admit this topic is very close to my heart: my sweet elder sister was an abused wife. She had been made a family scapegoat by our other sister and mother so she was the perfect "victim" for her husband. He then moved her far away from the family (he was in the military and they moved to washington state, then alaska and then texas.) he also tried (and I do say TRIED) isolating her from her family. there is a damn good reason he HATES me - I REFUSED to let him isolate me from my big sister. I spend hundreds of dollars back in the day calling her and making sure I spoke to her every three or four days. he'd complain to my mother about it (I was still in high school) but as long as I was willing to pay for the calls my dad didn't care who I called! ;) I went off to college (Utah ) and was able to visit my siter a few times- I had a tendency of "dropping in" so the ex-asshole (he's still an asshole - just not ours any longer) had to be careful - he knew if I saw a bruise on my sis I would have dragged her ass to a police station. The military at the time was no help (which is why in the late 90's there was a huge payout to ex military wives who had tried to get help from the military). My sister got strong, left the jerk, and is happily remarried to a very nice man. It took many years of therapy before she could trust a man again! I will admit that the ex-asshole knows that if ANYTHING happens to my sister- if a car hits her accidently etc... I will be calling the local police and sharing with them his history of abuse! My eldest nephew thinks it's a riot that his dad is scared of me! Smart man....I am married to a chemist after all - he knows what chemicals can dissolve bodies fast! ;)

My heart breaks for these women - we, as a society, do them a terrible disservice when we give the violence they experience euphemisms like "spousal abuse" and "domestic violence"-- those words sound nicer than "aggravated assault", "attempted murder", "assault and battery" - et cetera. So ray rice, IMHO is guilty of "aggravated assault" not "domestic violence".

I think there is a George Carlin video you should watch Rac, Go to YT and type George Carlin Shell shock.
 

Illiterati

Council Member & Author
you guys need to sit in rooms counselling pregnant teenage girls with bruises from their "Romeo"s and try to explain to them that is NOT how a man treats the woman he loves. You will hear Rihanna's name mentioned - hell even Nigella Lawson. We are socialisng our girls to expect shitty treatment from the men in their lives. How you ask - #1 cause- missing fathers in the home! They don't have a father who treats them well or treats their mothers well so they look to pop culture to tell them how it should be done. This "situation" with Ray Rice isn't new- the NFL has had spousal abuse problems for DECADES!


"Spousal abuse", "domestic violence" - let's call it what it really is - ASSAULT! if these guys beat up other MEN the way they do the women they supposedly "love", they'd be doing jail time! We have Mike Tyson still out there making a living on TV (Convicted RAPIST), OJ is finally in jail (But not for murdering his ex-wife), and Roman Polanski is lionized in Europe because everyone ignores his rape of a 13 year old girl. (Pedophile). Don't get me started on this issue- there is so much injustice towards women who are abused- most don't understand the psychological damage that was done long before the man actually raised his hand to hit her- so can't understand why she stays. He's got her trained to think she "deserves" this treatment - and at times her family and so-called friends will even support the batterer. ESPECIALLY when there is money involved. I don't blame the woman - I blame those around her who didn't help her see that she does not deserve this treatment.


Full - disclosure: I must admit this topic is very close to my heart: my sweet elder sister was an abused wife. She had been made a family scapegoat by our other sister and mother so she was the perfect "victim" for her husband. He then moved her far away from the family (he was in the military and they moved to washington state, then alaska and then texas.) he also tried (and I do say TRIED) isolating her from her family. there is a damn good reason he HATES me - I REFUSED to let him isolate me from my big sister. I spend hundreds of dollars back in the day calling her and making sure I spoke to her every three or four days. he'd complain to my mother about it (I was still in high school) but as long as I was willing to pay for the calls my dad didn't care who I called! ;) I went off to college (Utah ) and was able to visit my siter a few times- I had a tendency of "dropping in" so the ex-asshole (he's still an asshole - just not ours any longer) had to be careful - he knew if I saw a bruise on my sis I would have dragged her ass to a police station. The military at the time was no help (which is why in the late 90's there was a huge payout to ex military wives who had tried to get help from the military). My sister got strong, left the jerk, and is happily remarried to a very nice man. It took many years of therapy before she could trust a man again! I will admit that the ex-asshole knows that if ANYTHING happens to my sister- if a car hits her accidently etc... I will be calling the local police and sharing with them his history of abuse! My eldest nephew thinks it's a riot that his dad is scared of me! Smart man....I am married to a chemist after all - he knows what chemicals can dissolve bodies fast! ;)

My heart breaks for these women - we, as a society, do them a terrible disservice when we give the violence they experience euphemisms like "spousal abuse" and "domestic violence"-- those words sound nicer than "aggravated assault", "attempted murder", "assault and battery" - et cetera. So ray rice, IMHO is guilty of "aggravated assault" not "domestic violence".
As the subject of your sister and divorce has come up...

Was their marriage sealed in the Church, and if so, is there an unsealing if and when divorce occurs? Or will she be expected to spend eternity having the celestial babies of the man she despises to populate his planet?

This is a serious question. I'm not poking you with a stick.
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
my sister isn't and never was LDS. my parents (and I ) joined the LDS church long after my older sisters married--- I am the youngest by more than a decade.


As to divorce in the LDS church - it happens (abt 14% these days) and yes the temple sealing is dissolved then. do you really think I beleive a man who abuses his wife is going to heaven? I don't give a damn what church he is a member of- he's headed for a special level of hell! FYI -just because one has been sealed in the temple; they do NOT get an automatic pass for bad behavior- if you sin you will not be in heaven- pure and simple.
 
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Illiterati

Council Member & Author
I didn't know anything about how the LDS church handled divorce, so that's why I asked. Isn't that better than just making assumptions?

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I do appreciate it. I'm glad your sister is well quit of that humanoid stain. While my ex was abusive, it was emotional rather than physical.
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
Any man who abuses women or children should be put down.
 

Illiterati

Council Member & Author
Any man who abuses women or children should be put down.
OM1, my revenge will be in taking advantage of the fact that as we were married for over 10 years, I'm entitled to at least part of his Social Security benefits.

In fact, that thought cheers me more than a little bit.

ETA: AND there isn't a goddamned thing he can do about it, either.
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
I didn't know anything about how the LDS church handled divorce, so that's why I asked. Isn't that better than just making assumptions?

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I do appreciate it. I'm glad your sister is well quit of that humanoid stain. While my ex was abusive, it was emotional rather than physical.


you made several in your post- all incorrect naturally. ;)


I agree that a man who abuses women or kids needs to be put down like a rabid dog - one through the head should do it! get a large caliber.
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
you made several in your post- all incorrect naturally. ;)


I agree that a man who abuses women or kids needs to be put down like a rabid dog - one through the head should do it! get a large caliber.

See, one through the head gets him out of experiencing the suffering his spouse and/or children suffered. This is why I favor prison in such cases. There is a bitter justice system within the inmate population that likes to deal with rapists, pedophiles, abusers and such. It can be the equivalent of a real hell on Earth for these people.
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
Another woman who was abused has spoken out publically - we need to remove the stigma from the women!

Etonline said:
Meredith Vieira, 60, is using her talk show on Sept. 17 as a platform to speak about an issue that is close to home.

In light of recent news of the video that surfaced of football player Ray Rice punching his wife, Vieira is speaking out about how she is a survivor of domestic violence.

In a clip from the show, she starts out by giving the alarming statistic, "Every nine seconds a woman is abused or assaulted in this country."
She then opens up about what happened to her in an abusive relationship with a man she loved who threatened to ruin her career. She describes in detail, "…he threw me into a shower, naked with scalding water and then he threw me outside into the hallway, we lived in an apartment building and I hid in the stairwell for two hours until he came again crying, 'I promise I won't do this again.' I continued to stay in that relationship until I was offered a job in another state and that's where I felt I had the ability to get away."
The talk show host was asked the question of who would stay in that situation and explains, "I had a job at the time and I kept in this relationship and I've done a lot of thinking about why and I think part of it was fear. I was scared of him."
Vieira inspires her viewers by saying that this issue is more than just one with the NFL and she encourages women to "just let somebody know" if they're in an abusive relationship. "It's an issue with all of our lives and until we take it seriously more and more women are going to get abused."
http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/meredi...ayed-in-an-abusive-relationship-1839109.story


bluce - why else do you think I carry? ;)
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
Another woman who was abused has spoken out publically - we need to remove the stigma from the women!


http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/meredi...ayed-in-an-abusive-relationship-1839109.story


bluce - why else do you think I carry? ;)

Unless you're carrying it around taped to your hand, the odds are not in your favor of stopping an assailant catching you by surprise. Muggers, for example, don't necessarily announce themselves.

"Good evening, ma'am. I will be your mugger for this evening. I shall now commence the mugging."
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
sweetie - the last guy who tried to mug me (and snookie) got a few extra holes (3) for his trouble. I carry on my person! ;) his approach was "gimme your purse" so I threw it at him then pulled my weapon and fired. ;) yep no charges either - we don't have a "duty to flee". :P
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
sweetie - the last guy who tried to mug me (and snookie) got a few extra holes (3) for his trouble. I carry on my person! ;) his approach was "gimme your purse" so I threw it at him then pulled my weapon and fired. ;) yep no charges either - we don't have a "duty to flee". :P

Yes, sweetie, and that is SO representative of every single possible violent act against your person. You lucked out with a stupid mugger. :icon_lol:

How does your gingerbread house taste when it's warmed up by the smiling morning sun out there in candyland where the rivers run of chocolate syrup?
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
it tastes fine kiddo. ;) there is a certain attitude victims have - if you don't have it - muggers avoid you - I look, act, walk like one mean bitch and the muggers avoid me! ;) after dealing with the oh so sweet and lovely juvies I deal with - no mugger is going to make me nervous. :D

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200901/how-avoid-being-victim
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan

heisenberg

Earl Grey
My last jury duty experience involved hearing and deciding on the case of a 10 month old little boy who was murdered by his caregiver. With pictures of said dead little boy in full color with added autopsy photos.

Never again.
This is what i am worried about the most. I am sorry if I may sound like a coward/chicken, but I don't feel well when I see graphic stuff presented in front of me.
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
it tastes fine kiddo. ;) there is a certain attitude victims have - if you don't have it - muggers avoid you - I look, act, walk like one mean bitch and the muggers avoid me! ;) after dealing with the oh so sweet and lovely juvies I deal with - no mugger is going to make me nervous. :D

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200901/how-avoid-being-victim

You live in a world of fairy tales. That kind of thing may have served you well in the cornfields but it won't do you much good walking the streets of Detroit or parts of East LA or, hell, even tamer examples like parts of the Bronx.

No one is immune, no matter how much macho and self confidence you project. It may work with certain types but not others.
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This is what i am worried about the most. I am sorry if I may sound like a coward/chicken, but I don't feel well when I see graphic stuff presented in front of me.

You're not a coward or chicken, you're human. Lots of people can't look at that stuff.
 
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