New Trek to come to TV

[Quetesh]

I am neither a optimist nor a pessimist. I am a realistic, I also hate assumptions. You know what they say about when you assume.....

Until the show airs, nobody knows ST will fail on TV. You choose to hate it before it airs. I think that is sad. I hope it is good, but I will judge it when I can see it with my own eyes. If it does, then I will spew my venom in full force.

If it is like ST 09, you might hate it for sure, but it could still be a huge hit. The movie is loved by a whole new generation of Trekkies. Many ST TOS fans swore off TNG for quite some time too. I think it still managed to do okay in long run. Change happens. You either learn to ride the new wave or get off the boat. I choose not to jump ship until I know where the boat is going for certain.

 

[Overmind One]

I am neither a optimist nor a pessimist. I am a realistic, I also hate assumptions. You know what they say about when you assume.....

Until the show airs, nobody knows ST will fail on TV. You choose to hate it before it airs. I think that is sad. I hope it is good, but I will judge it when I can see it with my own eyes. If it does, then I will spew my venom in full force.

If it is like ST 09, you might hate it for sure, but it could still be a huge hit. The movie is loved by a whole new generation of Trekkies. Many ST TOS fans swore off TNG for quite some time too. I think it still managed to do okay in long run. Change happens. You either learn to ride the new wave or get off the boat. I choose not to jump ship until I know where the boat is going for certain.

Oh, totally true! The fact is that the 2009 movie and STID together have made almost what the entire set of movies prior to that did. But that does not make it GOOD. It isn't Star Trek. But it is popular, which is the reason it is being made in the first place. If it bombs, they will have to try a different approach. The original Star Trek (TOS) is actually quite dramatic, and had several soapy-ish episodes. That gave way to the quintessential Star Trek which started with TNG and ended with Enterprise. Now, they want to take the NuTrek thing and base the TV series on that. So, yeah I will wait and see but I already smell it coming.

 

[shavedape]

OM1 is right to be wary because there is no denying that things have changed in the way scifi is written over the past decade. We all know that interpersonal melodrama heavily informs the story telling these days. And now the "science" part of the stories often takes a backseat and/or is so nonsensical that it's not even science; it's just window dressing for the melodrama to play out in. ("Red matter" anyone? )

I was trying to point out this shift in the writing of the genre by posting that ridiculous pic of Robert Pattinson. He's best known as "Edward Cullen", the romantic vampire from those horrible Twilight movies. For him to be cast as the new version of Kirk would pretty much mean that the writers weren't going to be focusing on science fiction writing as much as they would be focusing on writing about teen angst in space. And quite frankly we've had enough of that for now.

 

[Overmind One]

OM1 is right to be wary because there is no denying that things have changed in the way scifi is written over the past decade. We all know that interpersonal melodrama heavily informs the story telling these days. And now the "science" part of the stories often takes a backseat and/or is so nonsensical that it's not even science; it's just window dressing for the melodrama to play out in. ("Red matter" anyone? )

I was trying to point out this shift in the writing of the genre by posting that ridiculous pic of Robert Pattinson. He's best known as "Edward Cullen", the romantic vampire from those horrible Twilight movies. For him to be cast as the new version of Kirk would pretty much mean that the writers weren't going to be focusing on science fiction writing as much as they would be focusing on writing about teen angst in space. And quite frankly we've had enough of that for now.

They have not yet said whether or not this is an Enterprise-based Trek series, have they? If not, then the cast wont really matter much. But if they are going to create yet another set of Enterprise TOS members, they will have to be careful. Im just not seeing this happening the way I want it to. It will be an action soap that will try to be Star Trek. Even if they choose another ship like Exeter or Excalibur or just invent a whole new ship (the USS Twilight?), it still won't be Trek because they can't get the universe right.

They could surprise us, but that is doubtful because of the producers they chose. IMO.

 

[Overmind One]

yes, I am hopeful-probably without any success-that the series they make is the long pitched to CBS CPT WORF

other then that, just "meh, ugh" instead

BTW- it was "yip,yip, yahoo"

Oh joy...."RAMMING SPEED!"

 

[Overmind One]

didn't know there was a thread on today's news release..but ok, I'll play along. (I even looked at the ST series subforums too)

Look at the timestamp on the first post and you will see why. When I merged the thread, the dates and times merge in order. Im so pissed about this. I was holding out for a different direction from CBS. They already know how Trek TV works. They licensed Star Trek Continues! They have licensed several fan made Trek projects, and all of them do STAR TREK. Anything like Star Trek 2009 or STID is not Star Trek, and I am not sure who it is going to appeal to as a series. Sure, watching a loud, explode-y flashy "star trek" cover movie for two hours over popcorn and soda is a date, but a TV series is a relationship. Who dates their booty call?

 

[heisenberg]

I am just going to post this here for some humour. NSFW warning due to the swearing.

 

[Overmind One]

I am just going to post this here for some humour. NSFW warning due to the swearing.

Great clip! The sad thing is that now Star Wars may very well be more sophisticated than Star Trek.

 

[heisenberg]

Great clip! The sad thing is that now Star Wars may very well be more sophisticated than Star Trek.

I am probably am the minority here and I am going to be put my flaming shield on, but I think star wars is to put it lightly, cheesy and LAME! The storyline never drew me when I was younger, nor did the characters really were that interesting. Despite all that, I still LOVE spaceballs which to this day is the best parody movie evermade.

 

[Overmind One]

I am probably am the minority here and I am going to be put my flaming shield on, but I think star wars is to put it lightly, cheesy and LAME! The storyline never drew me when I was younger, nor did the characters really were that interesting. Despite all that, I still LOVE spaceballs which to this day is the best parody movie evermade.

Oh man, you are ballsier than I am. I swear I can actually hear the sound of a lightsaber being activated when I say bad shit about Star Wars. I always thought of it as a fancy fairy tale told in a very basic (but fun) storytelling style. Good vs Evil. I also saw as fans tried to give it meaning and substance by filling in the blanks and developing the characters because the original writers didn't. Then came the prequels, which TO ME told more of the backstory and gave it something of substance. But the fans of Star Wars mostly hate them. Even those were still not any different from the originals in terms of sophistication. I am a Star Trek fan. I want the technical explanations and I want there to be rules to what I see going on. The Force is wizardry and witchcraft and has no place in space.

I have now erected a Level 10 force field. I doubt a lightsaber can penetrate it.

 

[Joelist]

Star Wars always has been Fantasy as opposed to Science Fiction. And the OT told a strong and coherent fantasy epic tale. The prequels are despised both because they are badly written and because they messed with that original tale, and not in good ways.

Trek has always aspired to be Science Fiction, and the degree to which it has succeeded has varied in the different shows and films. NuTrek for example pegged the needle pretty far over to the fantasy side of the scale while there are TNG, VOY and TOS epidoes that peg it far towards Science Fiction (like the TNG episode Relics which dealt with Dyson Spheres).

 

[Gatefan1976]

Oh man, you are ballsier than I am. I swear I can actually hear the sound of a lightsaber being activated when I say bad shit about Star Wars. I always thought of it as a fancy fairy tale told in a very basic (but fun) storytelling style. Good vs Evil. I also saw as fans tried to give it meaning and substance by filling in the blanks and developing the characters because the original writers didn't. Then came the prequels, which TO ME told more of the backstory and gave it something of substance. But the fans of Star Wars mostly hate them. Even those were still not any different from the originals in terms of sophistication. I am a Star Trek fan. I want the technical explanations and I want there to be rules to what I see going on. The Force is wizardry and witchcraft and has no place in space.

I have now erected a Level 10 force field. I doubt a lightsaber can penetrate it.

BURN THE WITCH!!

 

[Overmind One]

Star Wars always has been Fantasy as opposed to Science Fiction. And the OT told a strong and coherent fantasy epic tale. The prequels are despised both because they are badly written and because they messed with that original tale, and not in good ways.

Trek has always aspired to be Science Fiction, and the degree to which it has succeeded has varied in the different shows and films. NuTrek for example pegged the needle pretty far over to the fantasy side of the scale while there are TNG, VOY and TOS epidoes that peg it far towards Science Fiction (like the TNG episode Relics which dealt with Dyson Spheres).

There were LOTS of episodes which were science fiction. And the lingo used to explain some of the things we see in TOS and TNG are based in actual science disciplines and theory today. Same with Voyager. Not so much with DS9 and Enterprise. References to biological processes and biochemicals (both real and theoretical) are in there. Same with computer technology and the elements of the warp propulsion system (plasma as a regulator and power transfer medium, regulators controlling the flow of antimatter, power relays, buffers, etc. That was besides the episodes centring around scientific theory like that Dyson Sphere, but also space dwelling organisms and evolution theory and other things. Star Wars explains nothing. The prequels tried to do it a little, but it fell flat because of the way they did it. When Attack of the Clones came out (Ep II), Obi-Wan and Anakin were in a dogfight and a bunch of little buzzdroids jumped on the ship they were flying. Instead of just using the force to clear the wing, Anakin had to physically fly next to Obi-Wan and scrape them off? Later, Anakin moves much larger things.

 

[Joelist]

There were LOTS of episodes which were science fiction. And the lingo used to explain some of the things we see in TOS and TNG are based in actual science disciplines and theory today. Same with Voyager. Not so much with DS9 and Enterprise. References to biological processes and biochemicals (both real and theoretical) are in there. Same with computer technology and the elements of the warp propulsion system (plasma as a regulator and power transfer medium, regulators controlling the flow of antimatter, power relays, buffers, etc. That was besides the episodes centring around scientific theory like that Dyson Sphere, but also space dwelling organisms and evolution theory and other things. Star Wars explains nothing. The prequels tried to do it a little, but it fell flat because of the way they did it. When Attack of the Clones came out (Ep II), Obi-Wan and Anakin were in a dogfight and a bunch of little buzzdroids jumped on the ship they were flying. Instead of just using the force to clear the wing, Anakin had to physically fly next to Obi-Wan and scrape them off? Later, Anakin moves much larger things.

The reason I said Trek aspires to Science Fiction is because they did do things like the Dyson Spheres and other such. But, they also did things like Spock's Katra and such which are pure metaphysics. So the record is not perfect.

Star Wars on the other hand has never aspired to be Science Fiction no matter what some of its fans think. Ask the actual writers like Kasdan - it is Fantasy and they know it is. It is a genre subtype known as High Fantasy Adventure. And in that area the Original Trilogy is first class. The prequels are muddled, badly written garbage that are reviled by the fanbase precisely because they tried to mess with the Original Trilogy storyline.

 

[Jim of WVa]

This song is what Star Trek TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, and JJ-Trek is to me:

 

[YJ02]

Look at the timestamp on the first post and you will see why. When I merged the thread, the dates and times merge in order. Im so pissed about this. I was holding out for a different direction from CBS. They already know how Trek TV works. They licensed Star Trek Continues! They have licensed several fan made Trek projects, and all of them do STAR TREK. Anything like Star Trek 2009 or STID is not Star Trek, and I am not sure who it is going to appeal to as a series. Sure, watching a loud, explode-y flashy "star trek" cover movie for two hours over popcorn and soda is a date, but a TV series is a relationship. Who dates their booty call?

if it is based on the JJ shi^ then it will be 42 minute eps made SOLELY for the glory of the curved, big assed, flat screen tv with surround sound

it will be for the "aw snap dog,did you see that bitch blow that punk to shi^" pew pew and SFX "porn"

not one bit of brain matter will be needed to comprehend any episode

 

[Overmind One]

This song is what Star Trek is to me:

That seems to be a recurring opinion for you. You think Star Trek is somehow "gay". Whatevs!

 

[Overmind One]

if it is based on the JJ shi^ then it will be 42 minute eps made SOLELY for the glory of the curved, big assed, flat screen tv with surround sound

it will be for the "aw snap dog,did you see that bitch blow that punk to shi^" pew pew and SFX "porn"

not one bit of brain matter will be needed to comprehend any episode

It is going to fail miserably. The vitriol for it will be all over the internet starting from the very first episode. Trek fans will shred it and give never-ending hate for it. I say this because I already know it is going to follow the Star Trek 2009 and STID style since the creator of this new series is the same guy Kurtzman. IT WILL SUCK.

 

[heisenberg]

Oh man, you are ballsier than I am. I swear I can actually hear the sound of a lightsaber being activated when I say bad shit about Star Wars. I always thought of it as a fancy fairy tale told in a very basic (but fun) storytelling style. Good vs Evil. I also saw as fans tried to give it meaning and substance by filling in the blanks and developing the characters because the original writers didn't. Then came the prequels, which TO ME told more of the backstory and gave it something of substance. But the fans of Star Wars mostly hate them. Even those were still not any different from the originals in terms of sophistication. I am a Star Trek fan. I want the technical explanations and I want there to be rules to what I see going on. The Force is wizardry and witchcraft and has no place in space.

I have now erected a Level 10 force field. I doubt a lightsaber can penetrate it.

I unfortunately can't see what many Star Wars fan see in this franchise. I would genuinely like to appreciate it and see what many see in it, but I just don't make a connection to the franchise at all. Star Trek on the other hand is a different story.That doesn't mean that I hate fantasy shows.

 

[Overmind One]

I unfortunately can't see what many Star Wars fan see in this franchise. I would genuinely like to appreciate it and see what many see in it, but I just don't make a connection to the franchise at all. Star Trek on the other hand is a different story.That doesn't mean that I hate fantasy shows.

It is fun to watch the ships, the aliens, the locales and the stuff they have moving around in the background. But the story is as shallow as a rain puddle. Like it was originally intended, it is a children's story packaged in a way "the whole family can enjoy". It is the equivalent of a visual campfire story. Having said that, I like watching them but I hardly find it engaging on an intellectual level. If I could not see what was going on visually, the dialogue would not keep me interested.

Trek, however, has a universe it can draw from. NuTrek has disconnected from that in a huge way by making the new Abramsverse (created by Kurtzman and Orci) into a simpleminded frat row. Uhura now has girlfriend sessions with her roommate (why does she have a roommate on earth? No space for everyone? Even Reg had his own pad with his cat.). And Spock is her boyfriend so whatever they do together is now a couples activity instead of professional. She is allowed to leave her station to give Spock goodbye kisses in the transporter room? Mkay.

I wish I had a reason to believe that this series was going to be good, but there is nothing about it that looks promising. The writers alone ruin it. Then there is the charging for viewing thing. Just LOL!. It will be online at eztv the same night it airs. I ain't payin shit to watch this crap.