YJ02
Well Known GateFan
we bought a w7 key-legit,still in original wrapping, on amazon last year
all worked well until the pc went to total hell again
Can I still download Windows 7?
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we bought a w7 key-legit,still in original wrapping, on amazon last year
all worked well until the pc went to total hell again
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
and just a "sidenote" on 7 since i am reminded
some PC companies (HP for one) as been selling all in ones and laptops with windows 10 installed
we bought one and noticed that the all in one wasn't really working like a new pc should\ was also having trouble with the usb ports (the aux ones, not the ones that come straight off the motherboard), sometimes they would work, sometimes not
i called HP and they did a remote look at the machine to check for other,warrantied issues,none found
so i took it to my pc guy who fixes pc's and laptops, and builds some super cool (liquid cooled) gaming towers,etc
he found that the machine was actually a Windows 7 machine, the full 7 was installed-in the background is how he said it-with just a incomplete version of 10 on it
he said they do this to cut costs,etc
he wiped the entire drive and installed a full version of 10--no more issues. he said that having 7 and 10 on at the same time was causing some conflict that was causing slow sppeds and the USB failures
haven't had an issue since
i probably used some of the wrong terminology,but, you should get my point being the Computer tech genius' you all are!
some PC companies (HP for one) as been selling all in ones and laptops with windows 10 installed
we bought one and noticed that the all in one wasn't really working like a new pc should\ was also having trouble with the usb ports (the aux ones, not the ones that come straight off the motherboard), sometimes they would work, sometimes not
i called HP and they did a remote look at the machine to check for other,warrantied issues,none found
so i took it to my pc guy who fixes pc's and laptops, and builds some super cool (liquid cooled) gaming towers,etc
he found that the machine was actually a Windows 7 machine, the full 7 was installed-in the background is how he said it-with just a incomplete version of 10 on it
he said they do this to cut costs,etc
he wiped the entire drive and installed a full version of 10--no more issues. he said that having 7 and 10 on at the same time was causing some conflict that was causing slow sppeds and the USB failures
haven't had an issue since
i probably used some of the wrong terminology,but, you should get my point being the Computer tech genius' you all are!
and just a "sidenote" on 7 since i am reminded
some PC companies (HP for one) as been selling all in ones and laptops with windows 10 installed
we bought one and noticed that the all in one wasn't really working like a new pc should\ was also having trouble with the usb ports (the aux ones, not the ones that come straight off the motherboard), sometimes they would work, sometimes not
i called HP and they did a remote look at the machine to check for other,warrantied issues,none found
so i took it to my pc guy who fixes pc's and laptops, and builds some super cool (liquid cooled) gaming towers,etc
he found that the machine was actually a Windows 7 machine, the full 7 was installed-in the background is how he said it-with just a incomplete version of 10 on it
he said they do this to cut costs,etc
he wiped the entire drive and installed a full version of 10--no more issues. he said that having 7 and 10 on at the same time was causing some conflict that was causing slow speeds and the USB failures
haven't had an issue since
i probably used some of the wrong terminology,but, you should get my point being the Computer tech genius' you all are!
Your guy was talking nonsense. You cannot have Windows 7 "installed in the background". Windows 7 and Windows 10 cannot co-exist, and NEITHER operating system is going to cause any "conflicts" with your USB ports. Those are activated and controlled using drivers associated with your hardware, and the only issues that can happen there are if the wrong drivers are used. The USB ports will work or they wont, and Windows will tell you why in the Event Viewer and Error Logs.HP is known worldwide for installing bloatware and tracking software. Stuff like HP Customer Experience, HP Remote Assistant. HP Driver Manager, and tons of other shit they load it up with. A surgical removal of that junk would have given you the same result as wiping the drive which is the simpleminded approach that Geek Squad and Apple use to "fix" stuff.
Just sayin....
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YJ02
Well Known GateFan
i did not have a full version of 10
HP is known worldwide for installing bloatware and tracking software. Stuff like HP Customer Experience, HP Remote Assistant. HP Driver Manager, and tond of other shit they load it up with. A surgical removqal of that junk would have given you the same result as wiping the drive which is the simpleminded approach that Geek Squad and Apple use to "fix" stuff.
Just sayin....
i can not remember where we found the 7 at, but it was on there
i try to get a hold of him tomorrow and get the actual "techno speak" for you
you guys always miss my caveats!
like i said, i probably used the wrong terms and sent the whole meaning of the post to hell
Quetesh
Well Known GateFan
I really prefer not to have 10 since I don't want all the spyware it has on it. I love my Windows just the way it is. Each passing month it seems more and more people are looking for Windows 7 and it becomes less available since Microsoft no longer supports the sale of it. This being said, I would rather have 10 than 8, I hate 8.
I'm going to go ahead and try to buy that Windows 7 I found on Amazon UK as soon as I can. It comes in the disc so I should be able to just boot from the CD and off I go. I also now know to always email myself the windows key for all computers I have so that this will never happen again if my stickers gets worn off.
I'm going to go ahead and try to buy that Windows 7 I found on Amazon UK as soon as I can. It comes in the disc so I should be able to just boot from the CD and off I go. I also now know to always email myself the windows key for all computers I have so that this will never happen again if my stickers gets worn off.
Starting with Windows 8, Microsoft's OS has become a spyware vehicle. Windows 10 is so ridden with it you can't turn it off without breaking it. To be fair, Google Chrome is just as guilty, but it's just a browser, and it uses it's spyware for advertising and gathering metrics. Microsoft is a whole operating system. They want your keystrokes, your voiceprints, your wifi passwords and all contacts PLUS all your browsing data.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
He was probably talking about the recovery partition. New PCs and laptops no longer deliver OS on portable media. Instead, they have a hidden recovery partition on your HD that contains the full Windows installation adapted to the manufacturer's hardware with full drivers.
Your system will auto-update back to Windows 10. It's just a matter of time.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
This is all for naught because your Windows will auto-update to 10 at some point. Microsoft rolled out some updates to older Windows versions that forces the update, removing the choice from the user's hands.
The only Windows versions that I'm aware of that will not auto-update are the enterprise versions but OM1 is better versed and more up to date on that stuff.
Windows 10 will not only auto update, but you have no choice.
Microsoft has taken the choice away from you.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
HP is known worldwide for installing bloatware and tracking software. Stuff like HP Customer Experience, HP Remote Assistant. HP Driver Manager, and tons of other shit they load it up with. A surgical removal of that junk would have given you the same result as wiping the drive which is the simpleminded approach that Geek Squad and Apple use to "fix" stuff.
Just sayin....
ok, talked to him
i wrote down the "geek-speak" so as not to mis- word anything
:it was under my "c" drive
(you know, in the "tree thing"
)it was in a folder (the thing that actually looks like a little manilla folder) labeled "windows old"
he told me that the W10 loaded on that pc for sale purposes was a "upgrade of 7 to 10 that was done without a full install of W10"
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he said he has seen this a few times with machines sold by HP and DELL especially with 10 and some machines that had a 7 upgrade to 8 on them
all done so the machines could be legitimately marketed with a "loaded with windows 10 (8)" label on the box
said it also seems that most of the pc's were bought at BEST BUY, OFFICE DEPOT OR WALMART
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I know that this probably would not happen to you as you probably do not buy your PC's from any of these outlets, but, the "issue (such as it is)" does exist
Sounds to me like you have become quite a geekette of late.
In this forum in another thread, I have conveniently listed the "telemetry" updates which are the gatekeepers of the new features which lead to a forced upgrade to Windows 10. Remove those, and the other updates will not download or install because they are prerequisites to the later updates. Disable updates after removing, and you are safe. If you really want to be safe, then dump Windows altogether and install Linux Mint which is so much like Windows there is zero learning curve.
Quetesh
Well Known GateFan
When money becomes less of an option, I plan on replacing my laptop. I am thinking of an ASUS gaming computer but it does still have Windows. Also at that point I will re-install Windows 7 on it even if I have to wipe the hard drive to do it. LOL.
(I'm in final stages for several jobs so fingers crossed this band aid won't be needed for long.)
(I'm in final stages for several jobs so fingers crossed this band aid won't be needed for long.)
If you are confident in what you are doing, then wiping and installing fresh is a wise move. However when you get to "download updates to Windows during installaton" or anything having to do with updates, do not allow until after Windows has finished installing. Then, update with "Download updates and allow me to choose what to install". Have your list of nasty KB updates and disable them or remove as necessary. Once you are running Service Pack 2 with clean updates, disable Windows Update and never re-enable it again. Personally, I like to disable the service in Services too. I even take Log On permissions away from the service. You also have to watch out for Office updates if you have anything past Office 2010. If you use Outlook 2010 or later, then also watch out if you have Skype installed because a bridge will be installed between Skype and Outlook which will allow it to share your contacts. Do not use Windows Defender or Microsoft Security Essentials for your AV/Malware protection. Use something third party (as long as you don't use McAfee, Norton or Symantec products). Don't use Internet Explorer.
http://www.gatefans.net/gforums/threads/windoze-7-glitch.27213/page-3#post-899404
You have to disable Windows update while doing this. Even better, disable your internet connection too. Once those updates are removed, disable Windows Update permanently.
In your start menu box, type services.msc, then find the Windows Update service and set to Disabled.
Quetesh
Well Known GateFan
Thanks, I am working on it all now. It shall be a long next several hours.
How did this go?
Quetesh
Well Known GateFan
So far, this has worked great. I woke up today and windows wanted to be activated again. I did what the instructions from the buyer said to do, and it successfully activated my windows key I bought. I stopped Windows Update from putting any of those updates on and several others I did want that I read about online and I did ten thousand other updates, then I hid all the bad updates.
My windows 7 professional seems fine, I put all my programs back on, turned on my VPN and Peer blocker and off I go with my fixed laptop. The other laptop has it's own hard drive put back into it and that booted back up with it's functioning Windows 7 Home edition. He even liked how easy it all was and bought himself a copy of Windows 7 Professional. His computer does not seem able to get any updates from Microsoft, it just spins and spins looking for days so I think he is going to re-install again, and if that does not work contact Microsoft to see why he can't get his updates to download at all.
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Microsoft is the Caligula of operating systems:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...indows-10-upgrade-doesnt-stop-upgrade-process
Excerpt:
WHY anyone would ever trust Microsoft or defend their behaviors is beyond my understanding. Microsoft is determined to FORCE all Windows users to move to Windows 10 no matter what you want to do. If you refuse? Then (if you are not vigilant), recent updates will gut your Windows 8, 8.1 or Windows 7 and "assimilate" it to make it run like Windows 10 (that is, it will add "telemetry" spyware and add tons new encrypted .dll files. This company relies upon MASSIVE investment in software by the US government and military. It's goals reach far beyond advertising (how does advertising benefit from knowing your voiceprint and keystrokes and scanning all your folders, including those you have assumed were private?
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...indows-10-upgrade-doesnt-stop-upgrade-process
Excerpt:
WHY anyone would ever trust Microsoft or defend their behaviors is beyond my understanding. Microsoft is determined to FORCE all Windows users to move to Windows 10 no matter what you want to do. If you refuse? Then (if you are not vigilant), recent updates will gut your Windows 8, 8.1 or Windows 7 and "assimilate" it to make it run like Windows 10 (that is, it will add "telemetry" spyware and add tons new encrypted .dll files. This company relies upon MASSIVE investment in software by the US government and military. It's goals reach far beyond advertising (how does advertising benefit from knowing your voiceprint and keystrokes and scanning all your folders, including those you have assumed were private?
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