Bryan Fuller is the showrunner for new Star Trek series

[Overmind One]

Not to be negative, but whenever I hear someone mention 'innovative and different', I always like to approach with caution. Though, Nicholas Meyer did write The Wrath of Khan.

Nicholas Meyer Says We’re In Store For A ‘Different’ Star Trek

http://www.treknews.net/2016/03/01/nicholas-meyer-different-star-trek/
More here and above.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/star-tre...-star-trek-series-is-innovative-and-different

I am with you on the caution. In fact, most every real Star Trek fan I know or have spoken to in the wild has expressed the same concern. Most all of them EXPECT for it to be dumb and vapid already. They have two examples, and nothing in the dumb trailer or leaks to dispel that concern (in the movies). We know that Kurtzman and Kadin are producers, which means that they will have the control of the production even if Fuller is the showrunner. They have also not answered the simple and direct question:

Is this new Trek series going to be in the Prime universe where all the previous Star Trek series have been, or is the assumption already being made that the TOS period established by Kurtzman and Abrams will be the foundation for the series?

As soon as the answer to that question is available, we can make all sorts of conclusions based on that. This show is actually being used in a traditional way...as a springboard to help launch a new network. TNG helped launch UPN. But I have not spoken to anyone who is willing to pay for this CBS all access channel for Trek.

 

[Joelist]

Actually the showrunner is the showrunner. We don't really have anything to base an assumption that unlike other shows the showrunner here is not in charge. Time will tell.

 

[Overmind One]

Actually the showrunner is the showrunner. We don't really have anything to base an assumption that unlike other shows the showrunner here is not in charge. Time will tell.

Well, we actually CAN make certain assumptions based upon who is doing what in this new series. Kurtzman and Kadin...direct solid connection to the JJverse Star Trek, and they are Brian Fuller's bosses. They can fire Fuller if they want, and Fuller does not have the same power to fire them.

We are not completely clueless at all. We have solid, obvious clues. I also agree that time will tell. I think that CBS is more open to listening to the fandom than Paramount is. I think that because the initial success of CBS All Access is largely going to depend on the reception of this new Trek series, that CBS will try and deliver us something that Trek fans will like and watch. I just think they underestimate the JJ hate and disgust with the new universe created by Kurtzman, Orci and Lindelof.

 

[Joelist]

Where is the source saying they are Fuller's bosses?

Under the normal definition of showrunner he would be their bosses.

 

[Overmind One]

Where is the source saying they are Fuller's bosses?

Under the normal definition of showrunner he would be their bosses.

No, the showrunner is a slot below the executive producers (Kurtzman and Kadin). Technically, the showrunner is also an executive producer, and his/her function includes power over the scriptwriting, the Directors and most of the day to day operations. But the EVP office has the hire and fire capability to dump the showrunner. This is something I know something about. Even the Wiki seems to agree...

 

[Joelist]

Okay.

The Wiki indicates I was thinking more along the lines of showrunner in the UK. Although, it does define showrunner as:

The term showrunner was created to identify the producer who held ultimate management and creative authority for the program. The blog and book Crafty Screenwriting defines a showrunner as "the person responsible for all creative aspects of the show and responsible only to the network (and production company, if it's not [their] production company). The boss. Usually a writer."

Also this states Fuller is both showrunner and executive producer:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ecutive-producer-alex-kurtzman-300217489.html

That seems to indicate that at worst he is co-equal with Kurtzman but also possesses scriptwriting control. It will be interesting to see.

 

[Overmind One]

Okay.

The Wiki indicates I was thinking more along the lines of showrunner in the UK. Although, it does define showrunner as:

Also this states Fuller is both showrunner and executive producer:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ecutive-producer-alex-kurtzman-300217489.html

That seems to indicate that at worst he is co-equal with Kurtzman but also possesses scriptwriting control. It will be interesting to see.

Yes. Fuller would also be an Executive Producer. The Showrunner can spend the production money and hire and fire writers and production crew without needing any permission from the EP office. From what I have seen, the Executive Producers frequently do not even have an office in the production facility or studio. In most US productions, the Showrunner is still under the Executive Producers even though the showrunner is also an Executive Producer. Sorta like the military differentiates Field grade officers from Command grade officers, even when they both have the same identical rank.

 

[heisenberg]

Well, we actually CAN make certain assumptions based upon who is doing what in this new series. Kurtzman and Kadin...direct solid connection to the JJverse Star Trek, and they are Brian Fuller's bosses. They can fire Fuller if they want, and Fuller does not have the same power to fire them.

We are not completely clueless at all. We have solid, obvious clues. I also agree that time will tell. I think that CBS is more open to listening to the fandom than Paramount is. I think that because the initial success of CBS All Access is largely going to depend on the reception of this new Trek series, that CBS will try and deliver us something that Trek fans will like and watch. I just think they underestimate the JJ hate and disgust with the new universe created by Kurtzman, Orci and Lindelof.

That's very risky don't you think? To bring back a series that's been dead for over 10 years in an untested platform. I know it's startrek but still.

 

[Overmind One]

That's very risky don't you think? To bring back a series that's been dead for over 10 years in an untested platform. I know it's startrek but still.

Im not sure what you mean by "untested platform"? The only Trek TV series which have had proven longevity were TNG, DS9 and Voyager. All three got at least 7 years. It's the "updated" ones that failed like Enterprise and this NuTrek thing (in terms of being Star Trek). I said earlier that going to a movie is a date, but investing in a TV series is a relationship. NuTrek as a TV series is a 100% fail. Something like Axanar or even Horizon (done in the Enterprise timeline) in the prime universe is a more logical choice. The biggest problem with the JJverse Trek is the JJverse itself. Kurtzman gave it to us along with Lindelof and Orci, which is why this series needs to say outright if it will be in the JJverse or the original universe.

 

[heisenberg]

Im not sure what you mean by "untested platform"? The only Trek TV series which have had proven longevity were TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

I meant the CBS all access portal that they are rolling out. It seems like a pretty high risk to just put the entire show on that and not offer on other platforms or even people on cable. Why force people to signup to this service, in the hope that they'll signup? It is doomed to fail.

All three got at least 7 years. It's the "updated" ones that failed like Enterprise and this NuTrek thing (in terms of being Star Trek). I said earlier that going to a movie is a date, but investing in a TV series is a relationship. NuTrek as a TV series is a 100% fail. Something like Axanar or even Horizon (done in the Enterprise timeline) in the prime universe is a more logical choice. The biggest problem with the JJverse Trek is the JJverse itself. Kurtzman gave it to us along with Lindelof and Orci, which is why this series needs to say outright if it will be in the JJverse or the original universe.

Enterprise didn't fail. It did well, and was a strong series. Way better than some would have hoped.

 

[heisenberg]

Im not sure what you mean by "untested platform"? The only Trek TV series which have had proven longevity were TNG, DS9 and Voyager. All three got at least 7 years. It's the "updated" ones that failed like Enterprise and this NuTrek thing (in terms of being Star Trek). I said earlier that going to a movie is a date, but investing in a TV series is a relationship. NuTrek as a TV series is a 100% fail. Something like Axanar or even Horizon (done in the Enterprise timeline) in the prime universe is a more logical choice. The biggest problem with the JJverse Trek is the JJverse itself. Kurtzman gave it to us along with Lindelof and Orci, which is why this series needs to say outright if it will be in the JJverse or the original universe.

Now the son of Roddenberry and Trevor Roth have joined star Trek. This is getting stranger and stranger


http://deadline.com/2016/03/star-tr...th-join-cbs-digital-series-as-eps-1201713922/

 

[Joelist]

That article has this little tidbit too:

While plot and setting details have not been revealed at this time, the new Star Trek series will be unrelated to Paramount’s reboot film franchise, the next installment of which, Star Trek Beyond, is directed by Justin Lin and set to hit theaters in summer 2016. Star Trek will premiere in January 2017 with a preview broadcast on CBS followed by an exclusive run in the U.S. on CBS All Access. The series will be distributed concurrently on multiple platforms worldwide by CBS Studios International.

 

[Overmind One]

There are lots of nice tidbits floating about. Turns out that CBS is not a fan of JJ Abrams because he tried to cut into their lucrative TOS and other Star Trek series collectibles and merchandising AND the vast majority of the Trek fandom who attend the conventions. JJ wanted his Trek to be THE Trek, and actually asked them to discontinue the current marketing for past TV Trek:

http://www.blastr.com/2013-5-16/apparently-jj-abrams-tried-shut-down-all-star-trek-tos-merch
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star...s-From-Building-Massive-Trek-World-37587.html



Then there was this particularly interesting article from 2013, where CBS told JJ that they were not interested in a Star Trek series:

http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/jj-abrams-cbs-isnt-interested-star-trek-tv-series.html

The more accurate sentence would be that CBS was not interested in a new Star Trek series...from JJ Abrams.

Tony Todd will (probably) be in the series.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.c...-is-on-the-short-list-for-cbs-revival-series/
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/02/st...ng-short-list-for-2017-cbs-all-access-series/

This is looking better and better as time goes on. CBS will not have to have their arm twisted to avoid the JJverse. They don't like it because their marketing is not part of that mess. Everything from the iconic uniforms to the phasers and ships and the structure of the universe is still unique to the prime universe. This next movie changed the uniforms and the weapons but they are still wrong. Phaser rifles which look like giant hand phasers, updated TOS uniforms coming after the ridiculous Star Wars-esque uniforms we saw in the 2009 movie, and the dumb ship. Really? Now it looks like JJ's vision wants to be seen as Trek, but it's just too late. Too much magic blood under the bridge....

 

[heisenberg]

There are lots of nice tidbits floating about. Turns out that CBS is not a fan of JJ Abrams because he tried to cut into their lucrative TOS and other Star Trek series collectibles and merchandising AND the vast majority of the Trek fandom who attend the conventions. JJ wanted his Trek to be THE Trek, and actually asked them to discontinue the current marketing for past TV Trek:

http://www.blastr.com/2013-5-16/apparently-jj-abrams-tried-shut-down-all-star-trek-tos-merch
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star...s-From-Building-Massive-Trek-World-37587.html



Then there was this particularly interesting article from 2013, where CBS told JJ that they were not interested in a Star Trek series:

http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/jj-abrams-cbs-isnt-interested-star-trek-tv-series.html

The more accurate sentence would be that CBS was not interested in a new Star Trek series...from JJ Abrams.

Tony Todd will (probably) be in the series.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.c...-is-on-the-short-list-for-cbs-revival-series/
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/02/st...ng-short-list-for-2017-cbs-all-access-series/

This is looking better and better as time goes on. CBS will not have to have their arm twisted to avoid the JJverse. They don't like it because their marketing is not part of that mess. Everything from the iconic uniforms to the phasers and ships and the structure of the universe is still unique to the prime universe. This next movie changed the uniforms and the weapons but they are still wrong. Phaser rifles which look like giant hand phasers, updated TOS uniforms coming after the ridiculous Star Wars-esque uniforms we saw in the 2009 movie, and the dumb ship. Really? Now it looks like JJ's vision wants to be seen as Trek, but it's just too late. Too much magic blood under the bridge....

CBS ‘Star Trek’ Series Can’t Air Until Six Months After ‘Star Trek Beyond

Star Trek fans have likely heard of some disparity between the movie and TV branches that kept the franchise off regular TV in recent years, seemingly broken by CBS All-Access’ 2017 launch of a new Bryan Fuller series. That said, the two were apparently required to keep six months’ distance, which could spell a questionable future for the film franchise.

Following his suggestion of upcoming renewals, CBS boss Les Moonves opened up (via TrekCore) at the Deutsche Bank Media, Internet & Telecom Conference to reveal some of the disparity between Paramount, Viacom and CBS. Even after agreeing to a new series, CBS was required to wait six months from the launch of Star Trek Beyond:

http://screencrush.com/cbs-star-trek-beyond-paramount-rights/

‘Star Trek’ revival for CBS All Access already more than half paid for

We announced Star Trek, and internationally, we basically have covered 60% of the cost of the show already. To make up that [other] 40%, it’s not going to take a whole lot of subscriptions, and it says to the world that we are very serious about this.”

http://cartermatt.com/198525/star-trek-revival-cbs-access-already-half-paid/

 

[Joelist]

It seems a little silly, but if they contractually agreed to a six month separation time they are stuck.

 

[Overmind One]

It seems a little silly, but if they contractually agreed to a six month separation time they are stuck.

Perhaps, but not really. The thing I call "movie glow" is a very finite period of time. Movies are released, and Movie Glow lasts at maximum, perhaps 6 months. After that (and before), new blockbuster movies come out and eclipse the older blockbusters. That is how it goes in the movie world. The longevity legs are in TV production (for Trek at least). If this new CBS show revives the prime universe and this new show takes off, they will be producing it for years....YEARS. Long after JJverse NuTrek is dead and disgraced.

January of 2017 is already 6 months past the projected release of Beyond (July 22 of this year). If it fails to generate at least what STID generated, pencils will start tapping over in Paramount's production offices. If the CBS series takes off with fans and captures the massive Trek fanbase, movie Trek will have to be rebooted yet again. I know, I am being optimistic, but this is looking like a winning production coming together. Tony Todd came off of Axanar and now will (likely) be in the new series. He is CHOOSY when it comes to Star Trek. So is Bryan Fuller. I think that Kurtzman will get behind this in a more Trek-like fashion when he sees Bryan do his magic. Kurtzman has a unique opportunity to actually "get" Star Trek. He could learn enough...perhaps...to reboot the movie Trek franchise and make it more like it is supposed to be. CBS's involvement in the lawsuit tells them what they need to do, but Paramount is stuck with JJ. Justin Lin is doing ST: Beyond, but JJ is doing the next one (if there is one).

Im excited about it now! There is an actual Roddenberry involved....

 

[heisenberg]

Perhaps, but not really. The thing I call "movie glow" is a very finite period of time. Movies are released, and Movie Glow lasts at maximum, perhaps 6 months. After that (and before), new blockbuster movies come out and eclipse the older blockbusters. That is how it goes in the movie world. The longevity legs are in TV production (for Trek at least). If this new CBS show revives the prime universe and this new show takes off, they will be producing it for years....YEARS. Long after JJverse NuTrek is dead and disgraced.

January of 2017 is already 6 months past the projected release of Beyond (July 22 of this year). If it fails to generate at least what STID generated, pencils will start tapping over in Paramount's production offices. If the CBS series takes off with fans and captures the massive Trek fanbase, movie Trek will have to be rebooted yet again. I know, I am being optimistic, but this is looking like a winning production coming together. Tony Todd came off of Axanar and now will (likely) be in the new series. He is CHOOSY when it comes to Star Trek. So is Bryan Fuller. I think that Kurtzman will get behind this in a more Trek-like fashion when he sees Bryan do his magic. Kurtzman has a unique opportunity to actually "get" Star Trek. He could learn enough...perhaps...to reboot the movie Trek franchise and make it more like it is supposed to be. CBS's involvement in the lawsuit tells them what they need to do, but Paramount is stuck with JJ. Justin Lin is doing ST: Beyond, but JJ is doing the next one (if there is one).

Im excited about it now! There is an actual Roddenberry involved....

Please note these are PRE Production shots not post.

We're ten months away from the launch of the 2017 Star Trek show on CBS All Access, but the first preliminary photos have already leaked out from the production floor as CBS beings to lay the groundwork for the upcoming series.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/03/first-photos-from-star-trek-2017-pre-production/

Also worth mentioning

CBS All Access Streaming Service Has More Than 100,000 Subs, Leslie Moonves Says

CBS Corp. has attracted strong user figures for its CBS digital subscription service and expects to launch the Showtime OTT service soon, president and CEO Leslie Moonves said at an investor conference on Wednesday.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cbs-all-access-streaming-service-780636

 

[Gate_Boarder]

Please note these are PRE Production shots not post.



http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/03/first-photos-from-star-trek-2017-pre-production/


CBS All Access Streaming Service Has More Than 100,000 Subs, Leslie Moonves Says


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cbs-all-access-streaming-service-780636

You never know about L.A, but according to what I have read they start filming in September in both LA and Vancouver. If they tear down the sets that they built for the Star Trek movie, they will never get back into Vancouver as another movie company will jump in and take there place.

I don't expect the Canadian $ to jump up in any time soon.

 

[heisenberg]