Star Trek 3 to be like TV series

[shavedape]

https://movies.yahoo.com/news/roberto-orci-star-trek-3-closer-tv-series-165614413.html

Roberto Orci: 'Star Trek 3' Will Be Closer to TV Series Than Ever

After two movies focused largely on Earth, Roberto Orci is suggesting that Star Trek 3 may finally take Kirk, Spock and the rest of the crew of the Enterprise back out towards the Final Frontier once again.

The third installment of the rebooted franchise, which Orci is tipped to direct, taking over from J.J. Abrams following the latters move to Lucasfilm's Star Wars: Episode VII, will show the Enterprise crew "closer to the original series characters than you have ever seen," the Amazing Spider-Man,Transformers, Star Trek screenwriter and producer said. "They have set off on their five-year mission, so their adventure is going to be in deep space."

 

[Bluce Ree]

... will show the Enterprise crew "closer to the original series characters than you have ever seen," the Amazing Spider-Man,Transformers, Star Trek screenwriter and producer said. "They have set off on their five-year mission, so their adventure is going to be in deep space."

Can any statement more clearly demonstrate that these guys are NOT qualified to make sci-fi movies, let alone Star Trek?

 

[Overmind One]

Orci actually DOES care if the fans like his stuff or not. He does not respond rationally, but he is acutely aware of fan perception. He has posted responses to fans online who did not like the last two Trek films, and who said it was fluff. So, perhaps he will make a real effort to bring Trek back to Trek? I somehow doubt it. His filmography is full of fluff. I see nothing sophisticated or intellectual in any of his past work.

 

[shavedape]

Orci actually DOES care if the fans like his stuff or not. He does not respond rationally, but he is acutely aware of fan perception. He has posted responses to fans online who did not like the last two Trek films, and who said it was fluff. So, perhaps he will make a real effort to bring Trek back to Trek? I somehow doubt it. His filmography is full of fluff. I see nothing sophisticated or intellectual in any of his past work.

They've had two tries at bat already so forgive me for being cynical but I'm not going to hold my breath here. I can forgive the first one because they were setting the stage for the new interpretation of ST. But the second one really was a clunker that didn't give us anything other than an attenuated and PC retelling of the Khan story. There was no reason they couldn't have hit one out of the park the second time.

And quite frankly I'm sick and tired of reboots of stories we've seen a million times before. If they're going to give us familiar characters they can at least write new adventures for them to have.

 

[Overmind One]

They've had two tries at bat already so forgive me for being cynical but I'm not going to hold my breath here. I can forgive the first one because they were setting the stage for the new interpretation of ST. But the second one really was a clunker that didn't give us anything other than an attenuated and PC retelling of the Khan story. There was no reason they couldn't have hit one out of the park the second time.

And quite frankly I'm sick and tired of reboots of stories we've seen a million times before. If they're going to give us familiar characters they can at least write new adventures for them to have.

I completely agree. As far as I am concerned. Trek has not really been rebooted. These past two movies have the Trek name, but they are not Star Trek. The good thing is that they are SO EFFING UNALIKE that nobody could ever confuse the Trek of TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager/Enterprise with NuTrek.

Federation Space as of DS9:

NuTrek:

 

[shavedape]

I completely agree. As far as I am concerned. Trek has not really been rebooted. These past two movies have the Trek name, but they are not Star Trek. The good thing is that they are SO EFFING UNALIKE that nobody could ever confuse the Trek of TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager/Enterprise with NuTrek.

Federation Space as of DS9:

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All that space to explore and yet the writers are such cowards they fall back on old shit that someone else did much, much better the first time around.

 

[heisenberg]

https://movies.yahoo.com/news/roberto-orci-star-trek-3-closer-tv-series-165614413.html

Roberto Orci: 'Star Trek 3' Will Be Closer to TV Series Than Ever

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After two movies focused largely on Earth, Roberto Orci is suggesting that Star Trek 3 may finally take Kirk, Spock and the rest of the crew of the Enterprise back out towards the Final Frontier once again.
The third installment of the rebooted franchise, which Orci is tipped to direct, taking over from J.J. Abrams following the latters move to Lucasfilm's Star Wars: Episode VII, will show the Enterprise crew "closer to the original series characters than you have ever seen," the Amazing Spider-Man,Transformers, Star Trek screenwriter and producer said. "They have set off on their five-year mission, so their adventure is going to be in deep space."

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/5-things-to-known-about-your-new-star-wars-director-89388031687.html

Accordingto this, jjabram isn't directing or producing starwars. It's the guy from looper. Anyway, I much rather have star trek as a tv series than a movie. I'll watch it but probably when it goes to DVD

 

[Atlantis]

Can any statement more clearly demonstrate that these guys are NOT qualified to make sci-fi movies, let alone Star Trek?

Looking at his wikipedia page you can clearly tell his experience is in Fantasy and superhero films

 

[Joelist]

Actually Looper guy is directing SW VIII. Abrams is directing SW VII and Gareth Edwards is doing SW IX.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Looking at his wikipedia page you can clearly tell his experience is in Fantasy and superhero films

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Don't forget his real life experience with conspiracy theories.

Orci has had several instances with fans and critics alike. When in response to an upset fan over Star Trek Into Darkness, Orci said: Shitty Dodge. STID has infinetly [sic] more social commentary than Raiders in every Universe, and I say that with Harrison Ford being a friend. You lose credibility big time when you don’t honestly engage with the FUCKING WRITER OF THE MOVIE ASKING YOU AN HONEST QUESTION. You prove the cliche of shitty fans. And rude in the process. So, as Simon Pegg would say: FUCK OFF!" He later apologized. Orci also spoke out on his Twitter account about 9/11 conspiracy theories, calling all those whom didn't think the attacks were an inside job as "coincidence theorists". He has since deleted his account.

 

[shavedape]

Don't forget his real life experience with conspiracy theories.

OMG, Orci is a loon!

#1. Who gives a crap about "social commentary" when going to see a Star Trek movie? No one, that's who.

#2. Insulting the people that pay your rent is just dumb.

#3. Orci is a loon, redux!

 

[Overmind One]

OMG, Orci is a loon!

#1. Who gives a crap about "social commentary" when going to see a Star Trek movie? No one, that's who.

#2. Insulting the people that pay your rent is just dumb.

#3. Orci is a loon, redux!

The Enterprise will travel to Cybertron in the next movie, using the new Lens Flare Drive. And Uhura will have another fight with Spock, but this time on the bridge. But seriously, Orci will find SOME way to insert some sort of message either overtly or covertly.

 

[shavedape]

The Enterprise will travel to Cybertron in the next movie, using the new Lens Flare Drive. And Uhura will have another fight with Spock, but this time on the bridge. But seriously, Orci will find SOME way to insert some sort of message either overtly or covertly.

It was one thing for TOS to examine social/political issues as it was a TV show in a turbulent decade (and they had plenty of episodes to play around with). But a two-hour movie doesn't lend itself well to such an endeavor, not when you're promoting it as an action/adventure.

I don't want to waste time sitting through a naval gazing flick, no one does. If I did want to indulge in such introspective type viewing I'd watch a Judy Densch movie (and would be vastly more entertained in the offing). How a producer of Star Trek doesn't realize this is beyond me. We simply want a good action/adventure movie replete with familiar characters.

 

[Overmind One]

Same info, a different take (more acerbic) on a different website: http://talkbacker.com/movies/movie-...r-sequel-will-closer-original-series/id=35040

Bob Orci has often cited that he is a big fan of the original Star Trek. This gives hope that the new sequel will be a more respectful and faithful movie, to the spirit and ideas of the original classic show.

Of course any sane person with good cinematic taste knows this could end up being the worst movie made by Bad Robot since the reboot of the franchise. The reasons are obvious: Orci is a horrible writer and he hasn’t directed anything before. Also the fact that budget will be cut down, since the last movie didn’t fare very well at the box office.

It’s not hard to conclude that in their next adventure, the crew of the Enterprise will indeed boldly go where no man has gone before: beyond the bottom of the barrel.

OUCH!

I have to agree with that critic. Orci may have been a fan of the original series, but WHY was he a fan of the original series? Did he like the science and the concept of exploring the unknown, or was he just into the colors and the outfits and haircuts? From what I can see in his filmography and past work, he is a fantasy fan, not a science fiction fan. Can he pull legit science fiction out of his hat? I don't think so. Plus, we still have the Apple bridge, the brewery engineering section, the...whatever it was they had for Tactical, and that god awful misshapen ship the Enterprise GT.

I just cant take anything seriously that is performed on this set:

A bit of trivia...the Apple bridge used barcode scanners as props. Really they did.

http://www.barcodesinc.com/news/?p=1672

And please take a look at this photo. Then look at the top photo of the bridge. Why the hell do they have additional lamps over the navigation console with all the light on the bridge glaring us blind???

Notice the "consoles" on that navigation table. Cardboard with a printed screen...like I mean 8x11 paper taped to cardboard and reversed for each side of the station? In the 2009 movie, you can actually see props SHAKING as Nero is walking around in his tumbleweed ship. UNFORGIVABLE.

How can these things be fixed? I dont really think they can, because we are two movies in.

 

[YJ02]

ST3 villain may be played by Idris Elba

I like this actor, but instead of him being placed under Klingon prosthetic, I'd rather we be "regrettably informed" in the prologue that CPT Kirk had met with an untimely death in this 'verse and replaced by a new CPT played by Elba

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Trek-3-May-Pick-Idris-Elba-Major-Villain-Role-70496.html

 

[Joelist]

Don't forget Orci was the loon who made this statement about Khan....

Basically, as we went through the casting process and we began honing in on the themes of the movie, it became uncomfortable for me to support demonizing anyone of color, particularly any one of Middle Eastern descent or anyone evoking that. One of the points of the movie is that we must be careful about the villain within US, not some other race - Roberto Orci on Trekmovie.com

 

[Overmind One]

Don't forget Orci was the loon who made this statement about Khan....

Yep. What I will not ignore is that Orci knows absolutely nothing of the era which gave birth to Star Trek. He was born in 1973. Star Trek was aired originally from 1966-1969, 4 years before Orci was born. How is he qualified to make judgement calls on "genuine" Trek?

I have watched the 2009 reboot movie about 5 times, looking for the "meat" of the thing. You know, like thinking inside "OK, where were they trying to go with this? What was their take?". But there is literally nothing beneath the surface of that movie. The second one was derivative garbage. Im not at all excited about the third one and I will not pay to see it in the theater. Im just waiting for this reboot attempt to fail (maybe one or two more movies including STIII?) so that another producer gets a chance to reboot it again.

This NuTrek has no long term future, but the crew made up of these actors might. Even they can be replaced.

 

[Joelist]

I actually kind of like Trek 09. it did what it was intended to do which was perform the universe setup and get the characters together. The disaster that put NuTrek on the road to ruin is Into Darkness. Terrible script with an incoherent and illogical plot plus the characters actually went backwards in their development because they didn't evolve at all from the first film.

I confess I had hopes prior to seeing it. Had I known the script was written by Damon Lindelof I would have known better as he inflicted the equally incoherent Prometheus on us.

 

[Overmind One]

I actually kind of like Trek 09. it did what it was intended to do which was perform the universe setup and get the characters together. The disaster that put NuTrek on the road to ruin is Into Darkness. Terrible script with an incoherent and illogical plot plus the characters actually went backwards in their development because they didn't evolve at all from the first film.

I confess I had hopes prior to seeing it. Had I known the script was written by Damon Lindelof I would have known better as he inflicted the equally incoherent Prometheus on us.

I agree with the bolded, but it was Into Darkness which made me go back to ST2009 and reverse my judgement to "dislike". After the warm feeling I got from the new cast, and from Trek returning from a long hiatus, I gushed on these forums about it. I had my reservations about the new Enterprise, the sets and sound effects and some visual stuff, but my review was positive. Today, I dislike it as much as STID because the two of them on the board now allows drawing a trajectory. One that is moving directly towards the Soap Trek planet. Basic flaws in the foundation of the thing make it unpalatable for me at the moment. Those flaws are serious and need to be addressed first.

But one great thing is that Spock Prime (Leonard, rest in peace) will not be in it to give it cred it does not deserve. I am hoping that Shatner is not in it either. We get a new Enterprise (hopefully). We lose Abrams (for the most part). Kurtzman and Lindelof are gone.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Bring back the TOS crew:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/furious-7-how-peter-jacksons-784157