Ya know, retail isn't looking as bad as many like to think. Look at Costco.
no background on the other two- and neither one looks old enough to have been at the same place 19 years. apples and oranges people! the guy at costco has made it a career- doubt the other two plan to - and if they do...yahoo said:Cesar Martinez, a 37-year-old fork lift operator, has worked at a Costco in North Carolina for 19 years. He makes $22.82 an hour, gets health benefits and a pension plan. He manages to save, and doesn't worry about hospital bills for his daughter, who suffers from asthma.
let's put it this way gatefans- do you expect a guy who has worked for a company as a "trivet pusher" (made up job ya know) for 3 years to be paid the same as a guy (i.e. person- not being sexist here) who began as a "trivet pusher" 19 YEARS ago and now supervises all of the "trivet pushers" on the day shift? the minimum wage in the USA is considered a basic starting wage for those who have no skills/job experience. if a person has been employed for many years for the same company one would expect him to earn more and have better benefits. maybe it doesn't work that way in oz.Yes, it's apples and oranges Rac.
"LOOK THIS DUDE WORKS AT COSTO AND HE MAKES 22 BUCKS AN HOUR, OVERPAID BUM, WHAT ARE THESE SO-CALLED POOR CRYING ABOUT"!!!!
let's put it this way gatefans- do you expect a guy who has worked for a company as a "trivet pusher" (made up job ya know) for 3 years to be paid the same as a guy (i.e. person- not being sexist here) who began as a "trivet pusher" 19 YEARS ago and now supervises all of the "trivet pushers" on the day shift? the minimum wage in the USA is considered a basic starting wage for those who have no skills/job experience. if a person has been employed for many years for the same company one would expect him to earn more and have better benefits. maybe it doesn't work that way in oz.
I found the articel guido cited to be very misleading. tons of info about the one costco employee (age, yrs. working, job description) but nothing said about the other two who were cited for comparison- obviously this article was to be pro- Costco and not impartial at all.
Of course not.let's put it this way gatefans- do you expect a guy who has worked for a company as a "trivet pusher" (made up job ya know) for 3 years to be paid the same as a guy (i.e. person- not being sexist here) who began as a "trivet pusher" 19 YEARS ago and now supervises all of the "trivet pushers" on the day shift?
That is not entirely true. One social construct of the US throws that way out of whack, and that is the notion of "tipping" good service. I can pay a "social employee" (such as a waiter, publican) less because they will make the difference up in tips if they are good. "Joe server" or "Joe Shelf-stacker" has NO recourse to tips to supplement their wage. This very idea is what lead to us here pretty much "socially abolishing" the notion of tips and forcing employers to pay a decent starting wage. We still give tips, but that tip is for actual great service, done in cash, and told to put it in your pocket and damn the employer. It falls apart when you pay the dude slogging his guts out for bugger all and has no chance to recieve such "gratuity". In effect, you use impossible standards to justify creating a slave caste.the minimum wage in the USA is considered a basic starting wage for those who have no skills/job experience. if a person has been employed for many years for the same company one would expect him to earn more and have better benefits.
Nope, works the same way, but within different paramaters Rac.maybe it doesn't work that way in oz.
Yes, it was misleading, agreed.I found the articel guido cited to be very misleading. tons of info about the one costco employee (age, yrs. working, job description) but nothing said about the other two who were cited for comparison- obviously this article was to be pro- Costco and not impartial at all.
I totally agree with this. Nobody is talking about COLA increases (cost of living). Its how persons with the same job can make different salaries. And like you said, senority belongs to those in the same job who have been doing that job for the longest in that company. They are first to be promoted and they make the highest salaries. Having said that, I think that somebody driving a forklift for 19 years and only making $22.80 is rather pathetic.
Of course not.
That is not entirely true. One social construct of the US throws that way out of whack, and that is the notion of "tipping" good service. I can pay a "social employee" (such as a waiter, publican) less because they will make the difference up in tips if they are good. "Joe server" or "Joe Shelf-stacker" has NO recourse to tips to supplement their wage. This very idea is what lead to us here pretty much "socially abolishing" the notion of tips and forcing employers to pay a decent starting wage. We still give tips, but that tip is for actual great service, done in cash, and told to put it in your pocket and damn the employer. It falls apart when you pay the dude slogging his guts out for bugger all and has no chance to recieve such "gratuity". In effect, you use impossible standards to justify creating a slave caste.
Nope, works the same way, but within different paramaters Rac.
Yes, it was misleading, agreed.
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Our unions enforce C.O.L. increases, in fact that is the main purpose of our unions. The secondary purpose of them is to deal with unfair treatment.
As we have established however, US unions and Aus unions are worlds apart.
Rac80 said:as to the chick working at wendy's at least she makes minimum wage- most restaurant jobs pay below that because of "tips" which I think is BS!
I saw it, guess what, your opinion will change nothing, nor will mine.if you read all of my earlier comment, you would have seen that I disaprove of the lower wage for waiteresses/waiters because of tips- they don't even make the basic minimum wage in the USA. :
Of course not.
That is not entirely true. One social construct of the US throws that way out of whack, and that is the notion of "tipping" good service. I can pay a "social employee" (such as a waiter, publican) less because they will make the difference up in tips if they are good. "Joe server" or "Joe Shelf-stacker" has NO recourse to tips to supplement their wage. This very idea is what lead to us here pretty much "socially abolishing" the notion of tips and forcing employers to pay a decent starting wage. We still give tips, but that tip is for actual great service, done in cash, and told to put it in your pocket and damn the employer. It falls apart when you pay the dude slogging his guts out for bugger all and has no chance to recieve such "gratuity". In effect, you use impossible standards to justify creating a slave caste.
Nope, works the same way, but within different paramaters Rac.
Yes, it was misleading, agreed.
Our unions enforce C.O.L. increases, in fact that is the main purpose of our unions. The secondary purpose of them is to deal with unfair treatment.
As we have established however, US unions and Aus unions are worlds apart.
A court recently decided that a Starbucks manager can have a cut of the tips. I have issues with that.
Actually, I hate to rain on your parade, but such systems are not universal.Um, hate to rain on this Gatefan, but "tips" are collected from the employees by the employers in almost every establishment that takes tips. They are shared by all employees and a cut is taken by the establishment itself. Joe server is going to share his tips with Joe shelf-stacker even if he does not want to. The penalty for not giving up tips is usually termination.
Did it tell you what baseline Costco workers make?It was misleading, but informative. It tells me that Wendy's is greedy and selfish, Walmart is greedy and not as selfish, and that Costco is run by people who have principles.
Who the hell do you think's job it is to make these regulations and fight for the workers?? HINT: it is NOT the employers.In the US, this needs to be taken away from unions and made into employment regulations.
No, you need to take healthcare out of the equation all togeather. It is NOT the role of an employer to pay for your healthcare crap UNLESS it was a workplace induced issue. Why the HELL should my employer pay for the broken leg I got on holidays??There needs to be a standard beyong just minimum wages...minimum benefits is being established by the AHC Act.
They are not, but your system see's them as such. 30% gratuity is the standard in the US.Me too. I dont think that gratuities for service are a "shared"commodity.
Employers under such a system have NO RIGHT to deal with, monitor or take from employees. It's double dipping of the worst order.Employers see it as income! That is totally wrong.
[/quote]Not only that, the IRS taxes tips too.
Actually, I hate to rain on your parade, but such systems are not universal.
Here is an example:
http://www.snagajob.com/resources/how-restaurant-tips-work
By the by, Joe shelf stacker and Joe server are two separate industries and tend not to meet, so don't try to compare them.
Did it tell you what baseline Costco workers make?
Nope?
Useless marketing crap then.
Wendy's in this case is paying the base wage, WHY are they "ebil" for doing so??
Who the hell do you think's job it is to make these regulations and fight for the workers?? HINT: it is NOT the employers.
The US does not need to demolish unions, it needs to limit them to doing their goddamn job!!
No, you need to take healthcare out of the equation all togeather. It is NOT the role of an employer to pay for your healthcare crap UNLESS it was a workplace induced issue. Why the HELL should my employer pay for the broken leg I got on holidays??
Minimum healthcare should be a public issue, not a private one.
PAY ME 15 bucks an hour so I can afford my tax, and pay my private health fund!!
They are not, but your system see's them as such. 30% gratuity is the standard in the US.
Employers under such a system have NO RIGHT to deal with, monitor or take from employees. It's double dipping of the worst order.
The IRS taxes income, if tips are a accepted part of income, then it is taxable. If you get a "tip" here, it's yours tax free because someone has chosen to give it to you, not been expected to do it.
Not at all bro, I am talking about the Costco, Wal-Mart employee who will never see a tip. Also, as most "stock replenishment" jobs take place at night, joe shelf stacker really will never see a tip either.You a bit tired tonight? You keep putting words in my mouth. I already have a cigarette in there, thanks! I did not compare anyone. I said that Joe server and Joe shelf stacker share tips...I assumed you were saying they were both in the same company. If they aren't, tips are not in the picture for Joe shelf stacker. If he works in a large food establishment and is the back-kitchen garbage guy, he is going to get some of that tip money.
They don't start that high here either dude!!They dont start at $22.80/hr, that is for sure!
Can you provide base wages for the above organizations for a starting employee?Because it is lower than all similar businesses in that service strata. The competition is McDonalds, Jack in the Box, Burger King, etc. What if that Wendy's is the only fast food joint in town? Wendy's does not have to pay minimum wage with the income they have. Illegal alien maids make more than that!
Same here, so where do you go??That cannot be done without breaking the back of the AFL-CIO first. Attempt to limit them and they can bring certain things in the country to a complete halt. Transportation systems, food deliveries, offices in private and government offices, etc.
Then you are paying for workplace insurance, and YES you are right, the employer should pay for it, look up "workcover" here in aus.The employer is not paying for that broken leg, the insurance coverage is. The employer obligation for employees is usually 40 hrs a week, and the wear and tear on a body is caused mostly by working. It is a basic benefit IMO and the employers are in the best position to pay it.
There is no such thing as an untaxable tip received by an employee according to the IRS. http://www.irs.gov/Government-Entities/ITG-FAQ-#1-Answer-Are-all-tips-received-by-an-employee-taxable-income?
Any other sort of gratuity given for service not under the employ of somebody have to be considered a "donation" unless you are self employed. I have personal experience with this one.