CylonRomo
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I was reading another thread about Caprica... and it struck me BSG 2004 did not just re-imagine the series, it really did create something entirely new. It borrowed concepts, names and protocols from the original series, but you have to admit it was one of a kind.
Having said that, there are not very many shows that are so incredibly RICH in mythology. By that, I mean WHERE the story comes from and WHAT is going on in the deeper levels of the story proper. Caprica - itself- was a show I don't think had a chance were it not an expansion of the BSG universe. It failed anyway, but there were other reasons behind that: the fact people were by then torrenting and traditional ratings could not provide accurate data to warrant continuation.
The famous quote going around by Eick was about how methodical season 2 of Caprica was in theory... and had they put that much effort into BSG it would have been an even better show. I believe mystery in a show like Galactica is essential. Some things cannot and should not be explained, attempted to be explained or fleshed out at all. Mystery - itself - is or can be a huge part of storytelling.
The natural progression from BSG to Caprica was organic and held within it the seeds of a much larger tree if the Galactica universe. Not comprehending this, B&C simply gave Adama youth and took all the general/common elements of BOTH shows (original and new) in an attempt to make a bang-up shoot-em style action video game - while the mythology of the show was largely ignored (if adressed at all).
IMO, any new Galactica franchise MUST be true to and build on the already-laid foundation established by Galactica 2004. There can't be a sequel due to the way it ended. But the more time goes by Caprica was a completely perfect vehicle for the extension of the Galactica universe.
We were getting to see the colonies which we'd only heard about previously, we were getting to see the LIFESTYLE of Caprica and the human degradation of that place, the "dirt-eating" Taurons and the struggles of the Adama family as having one foot in 2 worlds/cultures. The religions centre of Gemennon, and that was only the "hurry-up-and-end" of season 1.2.
The more time passes, the more I long for what Caprica could have been. We had a show that was going to show us the origins of things we'd only heard about in BOTH original and new series. The fact there was a Head.Zoe blew me away, they were really sticking to their mythological guns.
The bindings of dead #7 cylon named Daniel, whom - the centurions with a part of Zoe in them - would want a skinjob represented by him. BSG TNS really puts a "human face" (and no pun intended) on what the cylons were about why they did what they did. That Cavil is made in the image of Ellen's father. That skinjob evolution happened WAY before the 7 who breached the colonies before the second war.
Razor's epic theme of the lone FIRST hybrid and his band of centurions.............. who left their people because they did not agree with the Final Five compromise and "strove to find the OWN WAY TO EVOLVE." It's frakking brilliant. Cain is spared because the centurion receives a signal that an agreement has been reached............. just like the survivors in the Caprica rescue (who are hopelessly pinned down) aree freed because the cylons have made a NEW decision.
The sentience of the cylons, to the point of angry toward their makers is profound. It may have been a science fiction theorem for decades but BSG was the first one to flesh it out with integrity. On Earth1, they found centurions among the destroyed bones. It could have even been a rebel faction who facilitated THAT uprising - killing their mechanical brothers out of dogma.
I am very ssad this thread won't be picked up again. B&C is not going to offer any grand notions of walking in the footsteps of greatness. While in the beginning, BSG was a draw to me as a mysterious enemy chasing a RTF that could barely resist and flee. But around the Eye of Jupiter/Rapture arc, the show changed and elevated to something so incredibly refined and beautiful.
I read an article (forget now) about the 15 best shows of the millennium and BSG was one of them. In the end, I think viewers were enthralled with the lingering questions that had been laid out early in the show.... and were ready to have them answered.
You have something like a dying 8 demanding to see her "father" (Tigh) before she dies, who has no idea what to say to her. And Athena who refuses to embrace her dying sister because she inwardly is no longer a part of them (even though they are genetic equivalents).
Gina Inviere, whom Baltar forsakes Head6 SIMPLY because there is actual flesh involved.
The Everyman of Gauis Baltar who has sinned so often and thinks only of himself, arguably redeemed in the end by returning to his roots. The Daybreak backstory of him and 6 may have been a bit much, but the CONCEPT payed off brilliantly.
In the beginning we see 6 as a marauding machine snapping the necks of inants.... and in the end we realize she was more capable of love and DID love Baltar to unprecedented levels.
How each and every "machine" finally chose for itself (even the centurions) and were honored for their choices instead of their past crimes and indiscretions. There is not enough I can say about the show.
Let's just keep talking about it
Having said that, there are not very many shows that are so incredibly RICH in mythology. By that, I mean WHERE the story comes from and WHAT is going on in the deeper levels of the story proper. Caprica - itself- was a show I don't think had a chance were it not an expansion of the BSG universe. It failed anyway, but there were other reasons behind that: the fact people were by then torrenting and traditional ratings could not provide accurate data to warrant continuation.
The famous quote going around by Eick was about how methodical season 2 of Caprica was in theory... and had they put that much effort into BSG it would have been an even better show. I believe mystery in a show like Galactica is essential. Some things cannot and should not be explained, attempted to be explained or fleshed out at all. Mystery - itself - is or can be a huge part of storytelling.
The natural progression from BSG to Caprica was organic and held within it the seeds of a much larger tree if the Galactica universe. Not comprehending this, B&C simply gave Adama youth and took all the general/common elements of BOTH shows (original and new) in an attempt to make a bang-up shoot-em style action video game - while the mythology of the show was largely ignored (if adressed at all).
IMO, any new Galactica franchise MUST be true to and build on the already-laid foundation established by Galactica 2004. There can't be a sequel due to the way it ended. But the more time goes by Caprica was a completely perfect vehicle for the extension of the Galactica universe.
We were getting to see the colonies which we'd only heard about previously, we were getting to see the LIFESTYLE of Caprica and the human degradation of that place, the "dirt-eating" Taurons and the struggles of the Adama family as having one foot in 2 worlds/cultures. The religions centre of Gemennon, and that was only the "hurry-up-and-end" of season 1.2.
The more time passes, the more I long for what Caprica could have been. We had a show that was going to show us the origins of things we'd only heard about in BOTH original and new series. The fact there was a Head.Zoe blew me away, they were really sticking to their mythological guns.
The bindings of dead #7 cylon named Daniel, whom - the centurions with a part of Zoe in them - would want a skinjob represented by him. BSG TNS really puts a "human face" (and no pun intended) on what the cylons were about why they did what they did. That Cavil is made in the image of Ellen's father. That skinjob evolution happened WAY before the 7 who breached the colonies before the second war.
Razor's epic theme of the lone FIRST hybrid and his band of centurions.............. who left their people because they did not agree with the Final Five compromise and "strove to find the OWN WAY TO EVOLVE." It's frakking brilliant. Cain is spared because the centurion receives a signal that an agreement has been reached............. just like the survivors in the Caprica rescue (who are hopelessly pinned down) aree freed because the cylons have made a NEW decision.
The sentience of the cylons, to the point of angry toward their makers is profound. It may have been a science fiction theorem for decades but BSG was the first one to flesh it out with integrity. On Earth1, they found centurions among the destroyed bones. It could have even been a rebel faction who facilitated THAT uprising - killing their mechanical brothers out of dogma.
I am very ssad this thread won't be picked up again. B&C is not going to offer any grand notions of walking in the footsteps of greatness. While in the beginning, BSG was a draw to me as a mysterious enemy chasing a RTF that could barely resist and flee. But around the Eye of Jupiter/Rapture arc, the show changed and elevated to something so incredibly refined and beautiful.
I read an article (forget now) about the 15 best shows of the millennium and BSG was one of them. In the end, I think viewers were enthralled with the lingering questions that had been laid out early in the show.... and were ready to have them answered.
You have something like a dying 8 demanding to see her "father" (Tigh) before she dies, who has no idea what to say to her. And Athena who refuses to embrace her dying sister because she inwardly is no longer a part of them (even though they are genetic equivalents).
Gina Inviere, whom Baltar forsakes Head6 SIMPLY because there is actual flesh involved.
The Everyman of Gauis Baltar who has sinned so often and thinks only of himself, arguably redeemed in the end by returning to his roots. The Daybreak backstory of him and 6 may have been a bit much, but the CONCEPT payed off brilliantly.
In the beginning we see 6 as a marauding machine snapping the necks of inants.... and in the end we realize she was more capable of love and DID love Baltar to unprecedented levels.
How each and every "machine" finally chose for itself (even the centurions) and were honored for their choices instead of their past crimes and indiscretions. There is not enough I can say about the show.
Let's just keep talking about it
), i guess i am focused more on RDM's take on the "beings of light" and their role as the omnipotent controllers of the cycle of life/fate. the head creatures (we both agree starbuck 2.0 is a angel/head creature) are their instruments
