So, cold hard proof in the form of direct quotes from the books is no longer an option? WHY?
Page numbers...I dont see them.
Idris Elba as the next James Bond?
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So, cold hard proof in the form of direct quotes from the books is no longer an option? WHY?
Page numbers...I dont see them.
Uh huh.
This board will be here...perhaps after a few weeks have passed and the thread topic fades, everybody will forget that you guys INSISTED that these passages were in these books, and Bluce has even said that they are "exact quotes from two Bond books". I have them all, so please pull me up and point out where they are so I dont make a fool of myself and claim things are NOT in the book when they are actually in there? I can wait till you get to a library...take your time. A year or two? I'll make it easy...just narrow it down to a chapter. Gatefan1976
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It is -exactly- the same argument dude!!
Lack of colour confirmation = Could be either
Lack of sexuality confirmation = Could go either way.
Same argument.
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
For your further perusal:
http://illustrated007.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Books: First Editions
http://jamesbond.wikia.com/wiki/From_Russia_with_Love_(novel)
-check the book covers-
http://illustrated007.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Books: First Editions
http://jamesbond.wikia.com/wiki/From_Russia_with_Love_(novel)
-check the book covers-
Hi!
Sorry if this comes up garbled but all I have right now is a phone:
‘He is very good-looking. He reminds me rather of Hoagy Carmichael, but there is something cold and ruthless in his . . .’
Vesper Lynd. Casino Royale pp28. Also Bond himself references his eye color and such on pp39-40.
Because he was certainly good-looking. (Gala Brand automatically reached into her bag for her vanity case. She examined herself in the little mirror and dabbed at her nose with a powder puff.) Rather like Hoagy Carmichael in a way. That black hair falling down over the right eyebrow. Much the same bones. But there was something a bit cruel in the mouth, and the eyes were cold. Were they grey or blue? It had been difficult to say last night. Well, at any rate she had put him in his place and shown him that she wasn't impressed by dashing young men from the Secret Service, however romantic they might look.
Gala Brand. Moonraker pp33
You Only Live Twice has a reference to Bond's father being Scottish and mother being Swiss. When I get back home I can pull it up.
Hope that helps.
Sorry if this comes up garbled but all I have right now is a phone:
‘He is very good-looking. He reminds me rather of Hoagy Carmichael, but there is something cold and ruthless in his . . .’
Vesper Lynd. Casino Royale pp28. Also Bond himself references his eye color and such on pp39-40.
Because he was certainly good-looking. (Gala Brand automatically reached into her bag for her vanity case. She examined herself in the little mirror and dabbed at her nose with a powder puff.) Rather like Hoagy Carmichael in a way. That black hair falling down over the right eyebrow. Much the same bones. But there was something a bit cruel in the mouth, and the eyes were cold. Were they grey or blue? It had been difficult to say last night. Well, at any rate she had put him in his place and shown him that she wasn't impressed by dashing young men from the Secret Service, however romantic they might look.
Gala Brand. Moonraker pp33
You Only Live Twice has a reference to Bond's father being Scottish and mother being Swiss. When I get back home I can pull it up.
Hope that helps.
Jim of WVa
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008 and 009: Kal Penn and John Cho as stoner secret agents.
Bluce Ree
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Complete with page references. I'm confident OM1 will come back with the claim that those pages don't exist in his secret, unpublished, hand-written original manuscript of Ian Fleming's Casino Royale and Moonraker.
Bluce Ree
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Wow! Published books with cover artwork prior to any of the movies. Don't worry. OM1 will just claim that Ian Fleming never got to see the artwork of his own book covers or that the color faded over time and it only "appears" as if James Bond is white..
What?!? That's Wikipedia. We all know everything on Wikipedia is utter bullshit ... unless it helps one's argument, then it's the de facto standard for universal information..
Those are cool...but they are not the covers used on the first editions published in the United States or England.
No persons were on the covers of any of them. No men, no women.
LOL! Still trying this? Look over that entire page and show me the first edition US or UK covers.
They do not have people on them at all...well, except Goldfinger.Still no page numbers? Where are the "exact quotes" you guys mentioned? Can you at least narrow it down to a chapter?
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
Joe gave you page numbers.
Complete with page references. I'm confident OM1 will come back with the claim that those pages don't exist in his secret, unpublished, hand-written original manuscript of Ian Fleming's Casino Royale and Moonraker.
NOW were talking....Im checking this now.,...
THIS is what I was looking for.
Now, to check my copies....still not seeing "white male" or "Caucasian" or "white" in those quotes. The grey or blue eye color can be found in black people. Now the Moonraker items about the Scottish/Swiss thing might be significant to back up his ethnicity, only none of those references made it to any of the movies and his parents or any family members have never been shown or part of any of the stories, so Im still not seeing anything that would prevent Idris Elba from being the new James Bond....that is our argument is it not?The whole naysayer argument here basically breaks down to "Idris Elba cant be James Boind because he is black". Rush Limbaugh agrees with this....the Bond writers/producers do not. Hmmm....
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
http://illustrated007.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/richard-chopping-artwork.htmlThose are cool...but they are not the covers used on the first editions published in the United States or England.
Main artwork and variations of the book cover for "From Russia With Love" by Richard Chopping. First UK edition cover on the left, on the right: US first hardcover, UK book club edition, colour trial, Dutch hardcover, US paperback and unused cover art by Kenneth Lewis.
Yep, they are not the first covers at all.
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
THIS is what I was looking for.
The whole naysayer argument here basically breaks down to "Idris Elba cant be James Boind because he is black". Rush Limbaugh agrees with this....the Bond writers/producers do not. Hmmm....
The Stargate writers and producers thought SGU was a good idea as well.
That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. SGO changed the genre and foundation of Stargate to try and be more like NuBSG. This nerw idea of Idris as Bond is only changing Bond from white British to black British. Everything else is staying the same. How is it similar?
Complete with page references. I'm confident OM1 will come back with the claim that those pages don't exist in his secret, unpublished, hand-written original manuscript of Ian Fleming's Casino Royale and Moonraker.
For the record, I have all of the first edition versions, not special editions or unpublished versions. I have verified the quote in Moonraker, but still there is nothing about him being white or Caucasian or references to his skin color. Hoagy Carmichael certainly did not look like Idris Elba, but he did not at all look like Daniel Craig either.
Remember, all you are trying to do here is to make a case for Idrios Elba being unsuitable as a replacement for James Bond. And so far, the only element of that disapproval has been the fact that he is black. I say that isnt a good enough reason. The producers agree, the writers agree. But Rush Limbaugh agrees with you.
. I know you are no racist, but this argument is.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
Doesn't matter. You've been shown a commissioned drawing from Fleming himself, book covers of first editions published before the movies, quotes from his books broken down in articles and now direct quotes from passages, complete with page numbers, in the original books from Joelist.
The record is straight and it has been proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, how Ian Fleming's James Bond looks.
This is where you're at right now. You don't need to concede anything because watching you continue to dig your way to China is entertainment enough.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
No, dude. That's gone and done with. Now we're just proving that Ian Fleming was clear in his depiction of James Bond while you continue to champion its ambiguity. The point of this thread now is just to make you look stupid, which has been done ad nauseam through the last few posts all the way down to this one.
Enjoy your crown.
