The Witcher

[YJ02]

Knew nothing about this, not a video gaming person

but, seems it didn't start with gaming but with novels (below)

as for the show--

some familiarity to other movies/shows

like how the army of Nilfhelm seems to be a army of true believing fatalists as in CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK and the necromongers

some copy from other fantasy, like Lord of the Rings, but this is more like LOTR's porno

I like the story with a common theme throughout,even though the characters don't realize there is one

Also, the diff time periods spanning about 30 yrs. The only bad thing on this was that the show could have some on screen script stating this

What I would like to know is if the video games/books have what I noticed in the series? That is, are those also female centric?

As in, does so much of the important and heroic action come from the female characters?

Yes,Geralt does do some good deeds, but this we expect as we quickly learn this is his job--he is a hero for hire

Last ep, the battle is won by women while Geralt is half conscious in a wagon

And, a lot of "my body my choice" stuff. Yennifer wanted to be transformed and she was warned of the cost, yet she went ahead anyhow. But near the end-and yrs later- she gives a narrative of not having a choice and transformed against her will

Is this more Femdom/SJW stuff being put in to our entertainment or is it per source material?

This doesn't wreck the show though, I am fine with female heroes so long as that is what was meant to be per the plot and is not done for some real world messaging

the source material:

 

[Overmind One]

This show is AWESOME. I am completely unfamiliar with the book/s and right now I do not want to read them because people are saying on Twitter that it does not follow the books. No matter, because the show is great! I like Cavill in this role, and I think he is better suited to act on the small screen than on the big screen as Superman. Here is the series trailer:

 

[Joelist]

I guess I will take a look. From what I hear it has the benefit of not being woke.

 

[Overmind One]

I guess I will take a look. From what I hear it has the benefit of not being woke.

It manages to be very diverse without making it an obtuse agenda. It has strong male AND female characters.

 

[Quetesh]

I saw the trailer for this, this show is high on my list of next things to watch!

 

[YJ02]

I guess I will take a look. From what I hear it has the benefit of not being woke.

there is a lot of 'my body my choice' stuff .which is a good stance to take/respect..however, here, it takes the tone of "woman agreed to..., woman said stop-by her pain?, then women later uses this as something done against her will"

but it is not as apparent as some shows

and this is a problem as tptb's are getting far better at making woke/sjw messages far more ingrained/buried in storyline

this is why i was asking if anyone knew if the games/books were like this as well (i doubt the books as they were written in the 90's by in eastern europe)

 

[Joelist]

There are cases where it is good to compare a show or film to the source material; and cases where it does not matter.

One case where it did not matter was the live action Ghost in the Shell film. Taken on its own merits it is an excellent movie so to be honest I don't care how faithful it is to the anime.

I suspect the Witcher needs to be approached in the same way - on its own merits as a show without regard to the game or any books.

 

[Lord Ba'al]

There are cases where it is good to compare a show or film to the source material; and cases where it does not matter.

One case where it did not matter was the live action Ghost in the Shell film. Taken on its own merits it is an excellent movie so to be honest I don't care how faithful it is to the anime.

I suspect the Witcher needs to be approached in the same way - on its own merits as a show without regard to the game or any books.

Gee, I wish some people could extend the same attitude towards new series and their predecessors.

 

[Joelist]

Hi Lord Ba'al!

Not sure what you are referring to here. Three possibilities come to mind (I may be missing others) - The Mandalorian, STD or Doctor Who.

Now me, I liked the Mandalorian. I thought it did an overall nice job of being a simple and self contained story with a semi - Western vibe.

On the other hand, I have found Doctor Who (which used to be my favorite show) to be unwatchable since Season 10. It is boring, terribly acted and incredibly preachy.

STD left me cold even discounting the canonicity problems. I found it to have pacing problems, an utterly unlikeable Mary Sue main character (I'd take Rey over Burnham because Rey at least is somewhat relatable) and a nonsensical storyline. But I would also rather watch STD than the current Doctor Who which is just slop.

 

[Overmind One]

Gee, I wish some people could extend the same attitude towards new series and their predecessors.

Could you be specific?

 

[YJ02]

Gee, I wish some people could extend the same attitude towards new series and their predecessors.

well, @Lord Ba'al seems that attitude you speak of is only applicable to shows that have been pre-determined to be good

reception and critique of a new show is formed around the bias built by these pre judgments--which are seemingly often influenced by a certain group of YT'rs

and, it seems that the reception of a show NEVER goes against the pre-judgement determined

 

[Joelist]

Possibly there is confirmation bias - it is part of the human condition.

On the other hand we have seen stuff that was supposed to be bad but turned out better. The Ghost in the Shell film is an example. In the same vein I (and OM IIRC) completely disagree with those YTers on the film King of the Monsters. And I found Picard to be somewhat better than they did and with Rise of Skywalker I regard it as a case of "JJ tried but the task was just impossible" as opposed to totally vilifying the film.

 

[YJ02]

Possibly there is confirmation bias - it is part of the human condition.

On the other hand we have seen stuff that was supposed to be bad but turned out better. The Ghost in the Shell film is an example. In the same vein I (and OM IIRC) completely disagree with those YTers on the film King of the Monsters. And I found Picard to be somewhat better than they did and with Rise of Skywalker I regard it as a case of "JJ tried but the task was just impossible" as opposed to totally vilifying the film.

has nerdrotic done a review of expanse season 4 yet? just curious -still-if he ever comes out and says anything bad about a show he likes from past seasons... i mean, its hard to not say anything about expanse s4

 

[Joelist]

I do not think so yet. I hope he does so soon but I do understand where life has been intervening (he has had real world issues eating at his time).

 

[Overmind One]

has nerdrotic done a review of expanse season 4 yet? just curious -still-if he ever comes out and says anything bad about a show he likes from past seasons... i mean, its hard to not say anything about expanse s4

I do not think so yet. I hope he does so soon but I do understand where life has been intervening (he has had real world issues eating at his time).

I think more than a few people who started this series out with the books were in for a bit of confusion at the changes they have made in Season 4. It feels to me like interference in the writing by somebody other than the authors. I could be wrong, but the changes they have made seem unnecessary. And they are deviating to a greater degree. The show is still excellent though.

 

[Overmind One]

there is a lot of 'my body my choice' stuff .which is a good stance to take/respect..however, here, it takes the tone of "woman agreed to..., woman said stop-by her pain?, then women later uses this as something done against her will"

but it is not as apparent as some shows

and this is a problem as tptb's are getting far better at making woke/sjw messages far more ingrained/buried in storyline

this is why i was asking if anyone knew if the games/books were like this as well (i doubt the books as they were written in the 90's by in eastern europe)

I have not been as curious about the series as needed for me to go into the books, but I imagine they differ from what is seen in the series. I agree that the woke messages are more nuanced and harder to see clearly, but you can still see them. It is not overwhelming and the show is still good with it in there.

 

[YJ02]

changes they have made seem unnecessary

perhaps uneeded for the story, but ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for meeting SJW/WOKE criteria

hitting these iclusions (sjw/woke inserts to plot and script) are now seemingly embedded into the grit of production

like how in the 80's, it became near ubiquitous for every action tv show to have an exploding car for no reason; a gun battle that ended in no injuries and sex scenes in every movie no matter it didn't fit in to plot

now its SJW topic inserted, WOKEness forced in.... thats why i asked about WITCHER as well and if in the games women are the heroes/ do the heroic acts, like win battles and spout the beyond common sense 'my body my choice' lines

 

[Overmind One]

well, @Lord Ba'al seems that attitude you speak of is only applicable to shows that have been pre-determined to be good

reception and critique of a new show is formed around the bias built by these pre judgments--which are seemingly often influenced by a certain group of YT'rs

and, it seems that the reception of a show NEVER goes against the pre-judgement determined

I actually agree with the bolded! But the media ALWAYS tries to spin it as this group being a "small but vocal toxic minority". The reality is that it is the greater voice of the fandom, not the minority. Several top tier media companies (including the BBC) have begun referring to The Fandom menace by name. JJ Abrams himself did it. They know the power it wields, while still claiming it is a vocal minority. The thing you seem to be missing is that it isn't this group influencing the reception of a given movie or show, it is merely reflecting the majority view of the fandom. The fandom is flocking to these YT'rs and sites because those YT creators are saying things they agree with and the media is not. Rotten Tomatoes has become irrelevant to audiences since the Captain Marvelgate thing. If RT's metrics can now be bought and arbitrarily frozen or raised and lowered, then they have become irrelevant and untrustworthy.

NOTES:

• The Fandom Menace has called the trajectory of every Star Trek and Star Wars show correctly since 2016.
• The Fandom Menace predicted the box office failures/disappointments of Terminator Dark Fate, Charlie's Angels, Little Women, Star Wars Rise of Skywalker and the soon to be released Birds of Prey.
• The Fandom Menace is not a club, requires no membership or towing of a line. But it does require loyalty to the source material of a given IP.

The Fandom Menace is no place for apologists or compromisers. People who bend and twist to follow the line set by the studios are hurting the IP by allowing interlopers to change it into something else. Those people are called "normies" by hardcore fandom groups like The Fandom Menace. They are okay with everything the studios do, they buy the merchandise, believe whatever spin is out, and buy whatever books, games, comics or toys put out just because they were asked to do it. The Fandom Menace is picky and informed. It isn't to be ignored.

 

[YJ02]

I actually agree with the bolded! But the media ALWAYS tries to spin it as this group being a "small but vocal toxic minority". The reality is that it is the greater voice of the fandom, not the minority. Several top tier media companies (including the BBC) have begun referring to The Fandom menace by name. JJ Abrams himself did it. They know the power it wields, while still claiming it is a vocal minority. The thing you seem to be missing is that it isn't this group influencing the reception of a given movie or show, it is merely reflecting the majority view of the fandom. The fandom is flocking to these YT'rs and sites because those YT creators are saying things they agree with and the media is not. Rotten Tomatoes has become irrelevant to audiences since the Captain Marvelgate thing. If RT's metrics can now be bought and arbitrarily frozen or raised and lowered, then they have become irrelevant and untrustworthy.

NOTES:

• The Fandom Menace has called the trajectory of every Star Trek and Star Wars show correctly since 2016.
• The Fandom Menace predicted the box office failures/disappointments of Terminator Dark Fate, Charlie's Angels, Little Women, Star Wars Rise of Skywalker and the soon to be released Birds of Prey.
• The Fandom Menace is not a club, requires no membership or towing of a line. But it does require loyalty to the source material of a given IP.

The Fandom Menace is no place for apologists or compromisers. People who bend and twist to follow the line set by the studios are hurting the IP by allowing interlopers to change it into something else. Those people are called "normies" by hardcore fandom groups like The Fandom Menace. They are okay with everything the studios do, they buy the merchandise, believe whatever spin is out, and buy whatever books, games, comics or toys put out just because they were asked to do it. The Fandom Menace is picky and informed. It isn't to be ignored.

if doom and gloom is your thing, then go for it

my issue with these 'cocks of doom' (as in the cock that crows at sunrise; harbinger) is that they never seem to do a review, or preview of anything they think is going to be good..everything is negative

as i posted on the expanse site, nerdrotic is silent on s4 of expanse. he did one review of a screening he attended for e1 back in october. but he did it on another yt channel. he has nothing up on s4 otherwise

and neither he, or anyone can deny that s4 is a departure, for the worse, from the previous seasons. not only does it depart from the books, but it departs for reasons of accommodating sjw and woke themes and characters

i dont see any (if there is someone in the fandom who does, please share) one of these ppl calling out a show they love-and for good reason to love it-for these changes

this would be an excellent opportunity for the FM to use this power you speak of= that is, do some honest and critical reviews of s4 and hopefully it will impact the expanse tptb's to correct for s5

i'll copy this to the expanse thread as well

 

[Overmind One]

if doom and gloom is your thing, then go for it

my issue with these 'cocks of doom' (as in the cock that crows at sunrise; harbinger) is that they never seem to do a review, or preview of anything they think is going to be good..everything is negative

as i posted on the expanse site, nerdrotic is silent on s4 of expanse. he did one review of a screening he attended for e1 back in october. but he did it on another yt channel. he has nothing up on s4 otherwise

and neither he, or anyone can deny that s4 is a departure, for the worse, from the previous seasons. not only does it depart from the books, but it departs for reasons of accommodating sjw and woke themes and characters

i dont see any (if there is someone in the fandom who does, please share) one of these ppl calling out a show they love-and for good reason to love it-for these changes

this would be an excellent opportunity for the FM to use this power you speak of= that is, do some honest and critical reviews of s4 and hopefully it will impact the expanse tptb's to correct for s5

i'll copy this to the expanse thread as well

I agree that they prefer to do videos about the negative aspects of the stuff coming out, but that almost needs to be the case because the media is paying big bucks to get shills and ally sites like Rotten Tomatoes and Screenrant to pump TERRIBLE movies and shows to get people to watch them so they can make money on hapless audiences. The way they are spinning Harley Quinn and The Birds of Prey is a perfect example because it hasn't come out yet. IT WILL BOMB. We know this because of the trailers and the other leaks which have been posted on Reddit and Twitter. The "normies" are out of the loop, so they will blindly read the shill articles and spend their hard-earned money on a crappy movie they will regret seeing.

The Expanse, and also Star Trek seem to be low priorities for The Fandom Menace. I think it's because the vast majority of them are hardcore Star Wars fans more than anything else. Gary at Nerdrotic really does not know Star Trek, but he still tries to make videos reviewing it. Doomcock is the most well-rounded of all TFM members, and he knows Star Trek and Star Wars and Doctor Who deeply. He is also clearly much older than all the rest of them. None of the Fandom Menace members seem to be into The Expanse much, and since it is still a great show, why make YT videos on it? People are not interested in videos praising stuff that is already great. Just like you don't need to advertise a product that is already selling well. The one exception is The Orville which gets great positive reviews and vids from TFM. However, mostly they use it to shade the crappy Star Trek shows by comparison.

I think that when my channel is up and running, I might review The Expanse both the good and bad.