Star Trek 4 Fate Still in the Air.

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  1. heisenberg

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    http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/10/13/star-trek-4-karl-urban/
     
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  2. Lord Ba'al

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    Lol. Talk about non-news. No offense to you @heisenberg, but offense to whomever thought this was worthy of an article or whatever.
     
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  3. Overmind One

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    Last I heard, there was NO movement forward on any 4th movie, and that there would not likely be a 4th movie after the massive loss incurred by Star Trek Beyond.

    http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-4-development/

    There is no script, no working title, no engagement of actors. There has been no greenlight on any 4th movie.
     
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  5. PussyGalore

    PussyGalore Is he from Gabon?

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    I'm fine with that. BTW, wasn't Simon Pegg responsible for STB? Didn't he give a bunch of interviews claiming that because he was such a Trek fan himself this one was sure to please the fans? :rolleye0014:
     
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  6. Joelist

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    Actually if you read the Trek fan sites they like Beyond the best of all the Kelvin films. It underperformed at the boxoffice in part due to as lot of marketing missteps and also because Star Trek Into Darkness had really, badly soured the fan base. Pegg went as far towards real Trek as Paramount would let him and remember here that Paramount's Trek license doesn't let them make a true Trek movie per se. It goes back to the whole Desilu / split license fiasco.
     
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  7. Overmind One

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    Yep, and he even got arrogant about it. It BOMBED, Simon. Beastie Boys in space? Really? A dirtbike?
     
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  8. Overmind One

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    None of the Trek fan sites I go to like ANY of the Kelvin films.
     
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  9. PussyGalore

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    Can you expound upon the Desilu/split license issue? I didn't realize there was an issue.
     
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  10. Joelist

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    It is expounded upon in this video:



    Simply put, as a result of the whole CBS/Viacom/Desilu chain of mergers and splitoffs the IP rights to Trek are bifurcated. CBS owns some of the rights while Paramount owns others. It is one reason why the Kelvin films look visually different than the Trek we knew before - Paramount did not have the proper licenses for Bad Robot to adhere closer to the normal look. It is also why CBS has no excuses with STD - they own all the pertinent rights.
     
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  11. Joelist

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    I should elaborate. CBS owns all needed rights but for some bizarre reason did not use their own licenses but rather made STD under the Paramount limited license which is both why it differs so widely from Prime and also why Kurtzman is involved and Bad Robot.
     
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  12. Overmind One

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    Dumbest thing EVER. Together, they have what is needed for real Star Trek, but because of themselves, it's a problem. Dumb. Really dumb. Now, they have a product that is meaningless as far as Star Trek goes.

    There is no green light for a 4th movie. There was one assumed last April, but since then it has dimmed and gone out.

    http://comicbook.com/movies/2017/04/23/zachary-quinto-on-whether-star-trek-4-is-still-happening/

    https://trekmovie.com/2017/07/30/ka...r-paramount-to-move-forward-with-star-trek-4/

    http://movieweb.com/star-trek-4-no-guarantee-zachary-quinto/
     
  13. Joelist

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    Yup. All they ever needed to do was get together - have CBS grant Paramount the full license it needed.

    And don't forget this also impacts Discovery - it like the Kelvin films is made on the Paramount license (why is anyone's guess).
     
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  14. PussyGalore

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    How bizarrely complicated. (Not criticizing you JL, just saying the situation is needlessly algebraic in its complexity.)

    *ETA: I love how they plan to claim that Discovery is part of an anthology and was meant to be 1 season long should it get canceled, lol. :icon_lol:
     
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  15. Overmind One

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    The Paramount license is decidedly MUCH more valuable than the CBS license. Why? Because the Star Trek movies (owned by Paramount's license, not CBS') have generated literally BILLIONS of dollars over the past 38 years. The first new Star Trek TV series since TOS was The Next Generation in 1987. It was the same EXACT licensing issue back then, but today nobody comments how just about nothing in TNG matches TOS (which was pre-CBS/Paramount and belongs to both equally). The ship, the design of the ship, the uniforms, the music, and yes, the Klingons too. All that was changed for TNG so that CBS could have it's own wholly owned show. Back then, advertising revenue could pay for a show, and also make a profit. But now? Not so much. Hence, the subscription-based service.

    When you reflect back on Axanar and where they were going with their thing, they were actually kicking both CBS and Paramount in the nuts, by using the TOS designs and also making a movie out of it. It never stood a chance, and Alec Peters ruined it for everyone. In a way, he is responsible for that other show's existence. :)
     
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    The Kelvin films did bring us one awesome new set of TOS crew reboot characters. But that was also a problem because those actors are all working Hollywood B-listers and they are not cheap. Other than that, there is not much of a legacy left by anything that happened in the Kelvin universe in my opinion.
     
  17. Joelist

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    The real mystery is why on Earth CBS went with the Paramount license rather than using its own or simply granting Bad Robot the needed license. Both the Kelvin-verse and STD are on the Paramount license.

    At least the information explains some things to us, like why the Kelvin films had visual differences from Trek and also had to establish a different canon - they did not have the needed IP licensing to make a straight Trek film. Now STD had no such excuse as it is being made by Bad Robot working directly for CBS - so CBS could have granted the needed permissions to Bad Robot.
     
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  18. Overmind One

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    The common flaw shared with the Kelvin universe and feel and Discovery's universe and feel is Alex Kurtzman. He created both the Kelvin universe and the Discovery universe, and he is responsible for the look of it (dark/bright, lensflare, tilted angles, etc.). Dumping Kurtzman would have given Discovery a way to change into something more Trek-like, but it's just too late now. I think the Trek core fans are now settling down and giving up on traditional Star Trek because neither Paramount or CBS seem to be able to produce it or understand it anymore.

    No 4th movie, no replacement for Chekov, and no guarantee that any of the rebooted TOS character actors will reprise their roles is a big deal. Discovery is standing on it's own, but it is not doing Star Trek.
     
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  19. Joelist

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    That's the thing. Until Paramount and CBS straighten out the licensing no movie can ever be anything but a Kelvin-verse sort of thing because of the IP restrictions. Discovery I think gets canned after its current run of episodes is shown as Netflix won't be willing to fork up another $100 million and CBS has not gotten any real number of new All Access subscribers.
     
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  20. Overmind One

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    Agreed. And at 8 million per episode, CBS has created a bar that they will no longer be able to reach because I doubt anyone is going to fork out over 100 million on this thing again. The Netflix run is something that was always going to happen because Netflix paid CBS to produce the show. It will likely run on Netflix along with Bollywood films and the other canceled Netflix funded shows for quite some time. But I think this season is going to be the only one.

    The Kelvin movies are over I think.
     
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