Lord Ba'al
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The things he says are pretty convincing.
Lost Civilizations and human pre- history
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Gate_Boarder
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Let me open up my mind for a sec. According to an Ancient Egyptian geographer there is a good chance that the Egyptians sailed all the way to Australia. So, how hard would it be be for the Egyptians to sail to South Africa to pick-up some of those abundant diamonds?
Definitely those Phoenicians were out and about plying their trade in the Mediterranean. Could they have by-passed the Gates of Hercules and made their way to the Bahamas where a mysteriously looking ship similar in design to one of those Phonecian freighters was found shipwrecked?
Definitely those Phoenicians were out and about plying their trade in the Mediterranean. Could they have by-passed the Gates of Hercules and made their way to the Bahamas where a mysteriously looking ship similar in design to one of those Phonecian freighters was found shipwrecked?
YJ02
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i'd say, yes,yes and yes
Many of the Egyptian voyages were done by commissioned Phoenician sailors. Both the Egyptians and the Greeks acknowledged the Phoenicians as master seamen. I am sure that many voyages paid for by the Pharaoh had an Egyptian govt rep or 2 on it to ensure that the voyage actually took place
Herodotus tells a story-related to him by Egyptian scholars in one of his visits there, of a Egyptian "admiral" who did sail in Egyptian ships with Egyptian crews around the nw corner of Africa. Their history shows that he probably made ot to the Gambia river or thereabouts. There,encountering the ppl we know has 'pygmies' and seeing apes and other large animals as well as the dense forests, he is said to have become disheartened and sailed back to Egypt having fallen short of his mission to sail around africa to the west
the Phoenicians put in to the red sea and sailed south and west then north back to egypt
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it is clearly established that Phoenicians had routes to Cornwall where they operated tin mines and shipped it back to the middle east for bronze making. some speculate that they sailed around ireland and britain and may even have sailed into scandinavia waters
this makes sense as the later greeks-before roman empire-had knowledge, including maps, of all of the british isles and a rough idea of northern europe and southern scandinavia
so, yeah, the phoenicians could have absolutely made it to the western hemisphere, especially since they most likely knew about the trade winds and other currents
Gate_Boarder
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Very interesting at least to me:
Food production that could of fed 10 million people. And not one of them wondering why we can't fly like a bird!
I have to find the article about a 4,400 tomb being found outside of Cairo. Is the second Sphinx ready to be uncovered showing us what the original Sphinx might of looked like?
Monkeys and more monkeys. There was a theory not so long ago that the head on the Sphinx was actually that of a monkey. Then some dimly lit brain thought that they should 'humanize' the pyramid. Oh, well!
Food production that could of fed 10 million people. And not one of them wondering why we can't fly like a bird!
I have to find the article about a 4,400 tomb being found outside of Cairo. Is the second Sphinx ready to be uncovered showing us what the original Sphinx might of looked like?
Monkeys and more monkeys. There was a theory not so long ago that the head on the Sphinx was actually that of a monkey. Then some dimly lit brain thought that they should 'humanize' the pyramid. Oh, well!
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YJ02
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have you ever read or watched about the ancient skulls found that are elongated?
they have been found in several areas in the world
not those bound and boarded (cradle head boarding) that were turned elongated, but those, that by bone structure and lack of cranial damage/healing, it can be deemed that the person was born with the elongated skull
it is theorized that those who bound their children to produce this effect -it was done in south america, the huns did it in asia, done in other areas as well, may have been done in an attempt to emulate these people
of course some get all alien conspiracy with it, but these guys and most ppl who don't deny it (as many mainstream academics do because it is inconvenient and doesn't fit in) believe it is just another type of homo sapiens sapiens with distincitve genetic structure that produced elongated heads. like blue eyes and red hair (it has also been determined that many of these elong. persons did have red hair--which originated,in its current form, in central asia and has strong genetic ties to neanderthal dna) or other issues out of the ordinary
these ppl in the video have been focused on skulls found in peru, in many of the same places and at the same strata as the cultures that created the nazca lines and even with
dna study was done on these skulls by three different labs in america and canada. all concluded that the mitochondrial haplogroups (the female line) of these skulls were those already studied and mapped to, first be completely modern human with no more then normal amounts of neanderthal dna, and second, are haplogroup U and U variants. these haplo.groups originate in north africa, the middle east up to the caucasus and black sea steppes. t
THIS DOES NOT MEAN EUROPEAN although many europeans of later dates did originate from peoples in the central asian area before they migrated. so dont get all twisty into some white power bullshit, raise the stars and bars conspiracy
so, not east asia, as they would have were they descended from the same groups who crossed and became north and south american natives
these people crossed from, most likely, africa and have the same mtdna haplogroup (U2, U2E and U2E1) foundation as human remains found in tenerife and the canary islands as well as some mummies found in middle egypt and other places
FROM https://www.geni.com/projects/U2e1-mtDNA/13229
Distribution
Haplogroup U2 is most common in South Asia but also found in low frequency in Central and West Asia, as well as in Europe as U2e. The overall frequency of U2 in South Asia is largely accounted for by the group U2i, whereas haplogroup U2e, common in Europe, is entirely absent; given that these lineages diverged approximately 50kya, these data have been interpreted as indicating very low maternal-line gene-flow between South Asia and Europe throughout this period.
This haplogroup has been found in the remains of a 30,000-year-old hunter-gatherer in South European Russia (Kostenki).
one video of several available:
they have been found in several areas in the world
not those bound and boarded (cradle head boarding) that were turned elongated, but those, that by bone structure and lack of cranial damage/healing, it can be deemed that the person was born with the elongated skull
it is theorized that those who bound their children to produce this effect -it was done in south america, the huns did it in asia, done in other areas as well, may have been done in an attempt to emulate these people
of course some get all alien conspiracy with it, but these guys and most ppl who don't deny it (as many mainstream academics do because it is inconvenient and doesn't fit in) believe it is just another type of homo sapiens sapiens with distincitve genetic structure that produced elongated heads. like blue eyes and red hair (it has also been determined that many of these elong. persons did have red hair--which originated,in its current form, in central asia and has strong genetic ties to neanderthal dna) or other issues out of the ordinary
these ppl in the video have been focused on skulls found in peru, in many of the same places and at the same strata as the cultures that created the nazca lines and even with
dna study was done on these skulls by three different labs in america and canada. all concluded that the mitochondrial haplogroups (the female line) of these skulls were those already studied and mapped to, first be completely modern human with no more then normal amounts of neanderthal dna, and second, are haplogroup U and U variants. these haplo.groups originate in north africa, the middle east up to the caucasus and black sea steppes. t
THIS DOES NOT MEAN EUROPEAN although many europeans of later dates did originate from peoples in the central asian area before they migrated. so dont get all twisty into some white power bullshit, raise the stars and bars conspiracy
so, not east asia, as they would have were they descended from the same groups who crossed and became north and south american natives
these people crossed from, most likely, africa and have the same mtdna haplogroup (U2, U2E and U2E1) foundation as human remains found in tenerife and the canary islands as well as some mummies found in middle egypt and other places
FROM https://www.geni.com/projects/U2e1-mtDNA/13229
Distribution
Haplogroup U2 is most common in South Asia but also found in low frequency in Central and West Asia, as well as in Europe as U2e. The overall frequency of U2 in South Asia is largely accounted for by the group U2i, whereas haplogroup U2e, common in Europe, is entirely absent; given that these lineages diverged approximately 50kya, these data have been interpreted as indicating very low maternal-line gene-flow between South Asia and Europe throughout this period.
This haplogroup has been found in the remains of a 30,000-year-old hunter-gatherer in South European Russia (Kostenki).
one video of several available:
YJ02
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the implications of this find is that, once again, evidence has been found in the americas that scientifically indicates that the Clovis people-those who make up the DNA majority modern day american indian on both continents- were NOT the first migrants to the americas
it also indicates that not all people came across the bering land bridge. this contrary to academia, who hold that ocean going ships were not capable of being built this long ago (pre 12,000 bce), states that sea crossing must have happened not only with these people from africa to america but also across the pacific.
the pacific crossings are supported by many minor finds in south america, like some native populations with polynesian dna and by animal fossils suggesting the presence of certain animals that were not believed to have existed in the americas until Europeans got here ( the araucana chicken for example, is native to south asia and the pacific islands, yet its bones have been found in strata at levels that indicate pre european (and known cross pacific trade) arrival) but most have came earlier on boats from across the pacific
then you have the native american of both continents "lobby" that tries to suppress any and all findings that indicate a pre clovis arrival. like the mastodon bones that had undeniable evidence of human exploitation on them. they were found near san diego in strata that indicates human activity at least 40,000 yrs ahead of the clovis arrival
no one in any mainstream, academic america, native america, hispanic america of both continents, wants to admit the existence or evidence of any other human arrival here. it is for different reasons, pride, cultural beliefs, some kind of status, or just the refusal that anyone other then the mainstream academic is capable of making real discoveries
this is the same thinking that states that no aerial direction was needed to carve the nasca lines or that no hard mineral or metal tools were needed for the precision stone work at Puma Punku
and we just definitely, cannot EVER allow the belief that some peoples associated with-even by dna-egyptians or middle easterner cultures arrived here before the 'noble' but ignorant indian or the Europeans.
it also indicates that not all people came across the bering land bridge. this contrary to academia, who hold that ocean going ships were not capable of being built this long ago (pre 12,000 bce), states that sea crossing must have happened not only with these people from africa to america but also across the pacific.
the pacific crossings are supported by many minor finds in south america, like some native populations with polynesian dna and by animal fossils suggesting the presence of certain animals that were not believed to have existed in the americas until Europeans got here ( the araucana chicken for example, is native to south asia and the pacific islands, yet its bones have been found in strata at levels that indicate pre european (and known cross pacific trade) arrival) but most have came earlier on boats from across the pacific
then you have the native american of both continents "lobby" that tries to suppress any and all findings that indicate a pre clovis arrival. like the mastodon bones that had undeniable evidence of human exploitation on them. they were found near san diego in strata that indicates human activity at least 40,000 yrs ahead of the clovis arrival
no one in any mainstream, academic america, native america, hispanic america of both continents, wants to admit the existence or evidence of any other human arrival here. it is for different reasons, pride, cultural beliefs, some kind of status, or just the refusal that anyone other then the mainstream academic is capable of making real discoveries
this is the same thinking that states that no aerial direction was needed to carve the nasca lines or that no hard mineral or metal tools were needed for the precision stone work at Puma Punku
and we just definitely, cannot EVER allow the belief that some peoples associated with-even by dna-egyptians or middle easterner cultures arrived here before the 'noble' but ignorant indian or the Europeans.
YJ02
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this also reminds me of a show i watched about 10yrs ago. it was on the previously unknown voyages and colonization efforts of the ancient greeks and phoenicians
the person being interviewed was asked a question like 'are you trying to tell us that phoenicians sailed to ireland and conducted trade there, that seems far fetched"
his answer was set in a hypothetical future where,after some calmity that caused a 'dark age' again, man made discoveries that suggested ppl spoke ancient english in australia. they too would find ot hard to believe and not be able to find support for their theory in the mainstream who may not accept that ancient english made it so far away to australia
just because our modern academia and mainline science cannot or will not conceive of it, does not mean it is impossible or any finding less true or reliable
educated but small and limited minds will be our downfall
the person being interviewed was asked a question like 'are you trying to tell us that phoenicians sailed to ireland and conducted trade there, that seems far fetched"
his answer was set in a hypothetical future where,after some calmity that caused a 'dark age' again, man made discoveries that suggested ppl spoke ancient english in australia. they too would find ot hard to believe and not be able to find support for their theory in the mainstream who may not accept that ancient english made it so far away to australia
just because our modern academia and mainline science cannot or will not conceive of it, does not mean it is impossible or any finding less true or reliable
educated but small and limited minds will be our downfall
Gate_Boarder
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I was watching a program, "Ancient Aliens" probably, where they found a whole cave of like 200 elongated skulls on the island of Malta. Sure to fit the conspiracy pattern they were all looted during the Second World War.
What was that group of people from old France. the Solutrean - Clovis people. Apparently there is more and more evidence that they have left their fingerprints along the East Coast of North America.
Cro-Magnon man found in Bahamian underground caves. It would be nice if the ocean's depth decreased by 10 feet so we can get the DNA of earlier man settled once and for all.
The Phoenicians had huge boats they used for sending goods back and forth. They could of gone anywhere.
YJ02
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well the Phoenicians were a lot 'younger' then this migration of ppl to south america would have been. but that DOESN'T mean that they and the Egyptians and others DID NOT learn their sea craft from older ppls then themselves
and the practice of cradle boarding existed in central asia in 'younger' groups like the huns and other steppe ppls. it just may be that the practice began as a way of mimicking legends of these far older ppl's who had elongated heads naturally
the solutreans are theorized--one theory- to either have walked on the edge of the north atlantic ice sheet to north america or went in small boats--round boats-along the sheet while chasing stuff like seals and whales. they are one group of ppl that academia-mainstream ones-say never made it here despite evidence like arrow and spear heads of 'european' and north african design
clovis ppl are those accepted by academia as being the only (how obnoxious of them?) ppls to have ever came here from asia across the bering land bridge
the clovis belief is strongly defended by those native american lobbies and by academia, for different reasons, despite evidence to the contrary
example, in this dna study i posted,they come up with all manner of reasons to discount stuff, like dna contamination even though, everyone involved in the extraction had their dna tested and NO ONE had the same mtdna haplogroup as the findings!! some had from the same overall "parent" (same letter) group but not any of the descendant dna groupings found. meaning the researchers all are descended from ppls who were in europe long after this migration happened or are descended from ppls who came from asia in the per the clovis arrival (the peruvian researchers)
deny,obfusacte, attack, insult intelligence and education cred are all tactics of the ppl who deny that any other ppls ever made it other then the clovis and then, of course, 11th century and beyond, europeans
YJ02
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also the solutrreans would ahve largely inhabited ands in europe that have long been under water. keeping us from discovering more about them. stuff that could link them even more strongly to native ppls of the eastern seaboard
and these ppl were not "white' in any modern way. they may have been lighter in skin tone then say ppl in africa of the time, but they were in no way 'european'.
i say this because it is one of things native american groups use to fight back b saying the solutrean theory is merely another attempt at white supremacy by stealing north america out from under the clovis ppl
but the same lobbies discount findings of other, pre clovis ppls who would have crossed the soth pacific to get here before them. and they were 'asian' just like them. so they are intellectually dishonest
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a map of the lands that would have been prime habitat for the solutreans. commonly referred to as Doggerland:
https://www.zmescience.com/science/geology/doggerland-europe-land/
and these ppl were not "white' in any modern way. they may have been lighter in skin tone then say ppl in africa of the time, but they were in no way 'european'.
i say this because it is one of things native american groups use to fight back b saying the solutrean theory is merely another attempt at white supremacy by stealing north america out from under the clovis ppl
but the same lobbies discount findings of other, pre clovis ppls who would have crossed the soth pacific to get here before them. and they were 'asian' just like them. so they are intellectually dishonest
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a map of the lands that would have been prime habitat for the solutreans. commonly referred to as Doggerland:
https://www.zmescience.com/science/geology/doggerland-europe-land/
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
nothing shocking here. why so long to arrive at this conclusion?
and why are the academics so opposed to idea that the Egyptians may have had compass' or at least a magnetic north finding system?
all you would need is water- or mercury even better, a magnetic sliver of metal floating on that liquid in a papyrus 'bowl'
so there would be no archaeological evidence of this
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actually, if they did use a magnetic compass that would explain the slight azimuth deviations found in the structure.
as a former surveyor-trained to find direction/azimuth in multiple methods, using the stars and sun (this article says they used the equinox which would be sun/star) are methods of finding true north. depending on one's latitude, the deviation can vary. and it increases over time.
the deviation for cairo now, is approx 4 degrees. this article says it is off by less then a degree. it is entirely possible that 4500 yrs ago the deviation was indeed less then a degree as the deviation increases over time AND with changes in magnetic north's location
to me this DOES make a case for their use of a magnetic north finding compass rather then the theorized solar, true north method.
anyhow:
https://nypost.com/2018/02/20/archa...egyptians-pulled-off-this-engineering-marvel/
and why are the academics so opposed to idea that the Egyptians may have had compass' or at least a magnetic north finding system?
all you would need is water- or mercury even better, a magnetic sliver of metal floating on that liquid in a papyrus 'bowl'
so there would be no archaeological evidence of this
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actually, if they did use a magnetic compass that would explain the slight azimuth deviations found in the structure.
as a former surveyor-trained to find direction/azimuth in multiple methods, using the stars and sun (this article says they used the equinox which would be sun/star) are methods of finding true north. depending on one's latitude, the deviation can vary. and it increases over time.
the deviation for cairo now, is approx 4 degrees. this article says it is off by less then a degree. it is entirely possible that 4500 yrs ago the deviation was indeed less then a degree as the deviation increases over time AND with changes in magnetic north's location
to me this DOES make a case for their use of a magnetic north finding compass rather then the theorized solar, true north method.
anyhow:
https://nypost.com/2018/02/20/archa...egyptians-pulled-off-this-engineering-marvel/
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
have you ever read or watched about the ancient skulls found that are elongated?
they have been found in several areas in the world
not those bound and boarded (cradle head boarding) that were turned elongated, but those, that by bone structure and lack of cranial damage/healing, it can be deemed that the person was born with the elongated skull
it is theorized that those who bound their children to produce this effect -it was done in south america, the huns did it in asia, done in other areas as well, may have been done in an attempt to emulate these people
of course some get all alien conspiracy with it, but these guys and most ppl who don't deny it (as many mainstream academics do because it is inconvenient and doesn't fit in) believe it is just another type of homo sapiens sapiens with distincitve genetic structure that produced elongated heads. like blue eyes and red hair (it has also been determined that many of these elong. persons did have red hair--which originated,in its current form, in central asia and has strong genetic ties to neanderthal dna) or other issues out of the ordinary
these ppl in the video have been focused on skulls found in peru, in many of the same places and at the same strata as the cultures that created the nazca lines and even with
dna study was done on these skulls by three different labs in america and canada. all concluded that the mitochondrial haplogroups (the female line) of these skulls were those already studied and mapped to, first be completely modern human with no more then normal amounts of neanderthal dna, and second, are haplogroup U and U variants. these haplo.groups originate in north africa, the middle east up to the caucasus and black sea steppes. t
THIS DOES NOT MEAN EUROPEAN although many europeans of later dates did originate from peoples in the central asian area before they migrated. so dont get all twisty into some white power bullshit, raise the stars and bars conspiracy
so, not east asia, as they would have were they descended from the same groups who crossed and became north and south american natives
these people crossed from, most likely, africa and have the same mtdna haplogroup (U2, U2E and U2E1) foundation as human remains found in tenerife and the canary islands as well as some mummies found in middle egypt and other places
FROM https://www.geni.com/projects/U2e1-mtDNA/13229
Distribution
Haplogroup U2 is most common in South Asia but also found in low frequency in Central and West Asia, as well as in Europe as U2e. The overall frequency of U2 in South Asia is largely accounted for by the group U2i, whereas haplogroup U2e, common in Europe, is entirely absent; given that these lineages diverged approximately 50kya, these data have been interpreted as indicating very low maternal-line gene-flow between South Asia and Europe throughout this period.
This haplogroup has been found in the remains of a 30,000-year-old hunter-gatherer in South European Russia (Kostenki).
one video of several available:
also, this study indicates a mtDNA -THE MOTHER'S LINE- has having a DNA trace from the caucuses, through the mid east, into egypt and across north africa even out into the Canary islands off the coast of morocco
that is a route that points to south america as 'next stop'
so we know that these elong. skull folks in peru have mtDNA connections to ppls in all of those above mentioned areas
i am wondering if any dna comparisons have been made to specific ppl from history whose dna has been tested and who had elongated or even slightly elongated skulls from birth, people like Pharoah Akhanaten and his sons Tutankhamen and Smenkhare?
seems that Dr Hawass ,the head of egypt's govt archaeology dept, had these tested and ha not released the mtDNA although the paternal- the Y DNA was released. that is of the R grouping which ranges from basically lake chad to north africa with some findings on Mediterranean islands
but why no mother's line DNA? Is itbecaseu it may show dna that has origins in the mid east or the caucasus mtns? Perhaps Hawass holds back because the "the pharoahs were white" dumbasses could use that to say "the caucuses are in europe,so they are European" type of simplistic associations that only the true dumbass can believe in with bliss
so, we know these ppl who made it to peru, with the naturally occurring elongated heads, also left their mtDNA in Egypt and other places along the way.
is it possible, they left some of their ppl behind as gifts for their hosts? or maybe some of their ppl just wanted to stay and were allowed to do so. and this was done all along their journey
if so, could a noble woman from this migrating group been given in an arranged marriage and that is how the mtDNA got into the royal line, therefore also introducing the mutation that creates elongated skulls as well?
the standard academic answer for Akhanaten's appearance is given to a genetic disease. but this disease does not create all of the issues he had with his body, nor did he have many of the other defects-some intellectual, that is assocaited with this disease.
another way of established academia to try and cover up, obfuscate or explain away abnormalities in the fossil and archaeological records that they cannot-or will not, give any other answers for
You are throwing a lot of stuff out there Yong. Let me just respond to Hawass....he is and was ALWAYS a fraud. The ancient Egyptians were not white or Caucasian, and the growth of ancient Egypt was from south to north, from the source of the Nile which is deep in southern Ethiopia. DNA from "Caucasians" can also mean from the dark, almost black skinned Dravidians who are Caucasians and originate from the earliest migrations from East Africa.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
you are referring to the modern 'hijacking' of the word Caucasian.
i do not
similar to "arayan" which in its origin/correct usage refers to those of indo iranian ancestry and their offshoots like the Scythians, Alans and a multitude of other steppe ppls
both modern usages have been hijacked by white supremacist types, from the nazis onward
AGAIN-- please DO NOT try to force me into that corner because I am not going to fit!
I believe in DNA, it is hard science after all
this post of mine refers to the previous one on the dna findings of the 'elongated skull people' of Peru
the mtDNA shows a plain as day 'road' of a type from the Caucasus (where many, many peoples of various tones and hues, once lived and then moved on in different directions) it is kind of clear why they lived there for a time as well...probably in an effort to get away from the rising waters after the last ice age melt. especially when the black and red seas and the persian gulf filled in and the Mediterranean got much bigger from the ice melt--it is high ground after all
this mtDNA is also found in both the current population (in small numbers) and in the fossil records of ppls in egypt, north africa, the canary islands and then in south america
NOW I KNEW IT.. I ABSOLUTELY knew that you would just jump straight to the assumption that I am saying that Egyptians were somehow not of african origin!!! I knew you would not be able to resist
And no, I ma not saying that the Egyptians were not African, but that,and it is well known, that many, many other peoples made their way through Egypt, especially the Delta area, wither by land or by sea. they knew it was a rich land and generally open to trade and other issues regarding foreigners (we know from both the written record of the Egyptians that they did things like welcome in some refugees from Mitanni, refugees fleeing the Sea Peoples invasions of the Mediterranean area, that they used foreign mercenaries from time to time to keep out unwelcome ppl's, and more)
And I don't know why you and so many others seem to believe that these ppls from the mid east, asia minor and elsewhere were "white"? Why the persistence in that belief? it is most likely that long ago, many areas of northern europe dd not even have 'white' people in it. at least not many who would match today's description of "white! remember, relative to the depth of the human record, it was not all that long ago, that ppl would outright kill or sacrifice children born with blue and green eyes or blonde hair. they thought they were somehow 'evil' or whatever.
it wasn't until about 10-6000 yrs ago that those mutations began happening and the slaughter of these ppl went on for quite awhile after. so the atypical white/nordic type was not even allowed to live long enough at that time that they could have somehow populated all of europe or the mid east-the population of these type ppl was way too small.
https://www.livescience.com/9578-common-ancestor-blue-eyes.html
so everyone can just knock of the 'white ppl were everywhere' nonsense
and then the white supremacist jump on the release of the King tut dna. it showed that tut ad common dna with a FEW of the people of southern europe. so what! ever heard of migration? many of those reports also date that those ppl found in europe have DNA that is dated as being YOUNGER then Tut's. meaning they lived long after he did.
So, back to the elongated head ppl.
with that mtDNA trace, it is plain to see that some of them either stayed briefly and died in Egypt or some stayed on and bred into the population.
why is that a valid assumption (note I do not use any absolutes)? Because the common reasons given by 'respected academia' for the mutations experienced by some members of the 18th dynasty does not match the actual symptoms that ppl who actually have this disease experience
and clearly, ppl with these body and head types could not have been invalids or mentally incompetent (actual symptoms of the disease that academia says Amonhotep IV had) as it is also obvious from the archaeological record, that in Peru these ppl set themselves up as the ruling class. In Egypt as well, no invalid of this severity would have been allowed to rule
in the family of the 18th, other members also exhibited signs of this body type, In portrayals (her mummy has not been found), Nefertiti, Amonhotep IV's wife and cousin, is seen as having a slightly elongated head and chin, though it is no way like her husbands. Other members of this dynasty had some of these traits as well, though none as extreme as Amonhotep IV.
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I think it is pretty clear that ppl from both west and east made their way to the America's in signif numbers to affect the archaeological and now DNA record. To continue to believe that only the 'clovis ppl' made it here is absurd.
To recognize that either ppl from east or west, such a long time ago, were able to develop sea crossing tech so long before "the white man" conquered the seas in the 15th century would be to upend the mythical status of european supremacy
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
The dude with the english accent is not a archaeologist or any type of scientist. he is a "professionally motivated" archaeologist by hobby and self taught
THEREFORE anything he says will be automatically discredited by academia and others
Big american guy in the blue shirt is an architect who also dabbles in archaeological and anthropological issues
The guy sitting next to the Jimi Hendrix pic is there to represent the science community.
notice how he keeps putting up stuff like " but what about the period of time in between (when the english guy claims the sphinx was made and the time of great pyramids building) with little to no activity on the giza plateau?" and other roadblocks. (notice this man also admits he has never been to Giza ir many of the other Egyptian sites!)
he gets answers which make sense given the archaeological, geological and hydro-logical records..then he moves goalposts and still refuses to concede a thing...
this clip is a perfect example of the fight that goes on whenever academia is challenged on long accepted theories-as -facts regarding Egypt and many other places
much of what the mainstream arch/ Egyptology community uses to deny these challenges is that before a few yrs ago, there were no older man made structures of the order of either the sphinx or any pyramid. Then Golbeke-Tepe was discovered in Syria/Turkey. that site is dated to 10 -12,000 yrs ago. showing that i the near proximity of Egypt, there were people with the technology to work in massive stone construction
THEREFORE anything he says will be automatically discredited by academia and others
Big american guy in the blue shirt is an architect who also dabbles in archaeological and anthropological issues
The guy sitting next to the Jimi Hendrix pic is there to represent the science community.
notice how he keeps putting up stuff like " but what about the period of time in between (when the english guy claims the sphinx was made and the time of great pyramids building) with little to no activity on the giza plateau?" and other roadblocks. (notice this man also admits he has never been to Giza ir many of the other Egyptian sites!)
he gets answers which make sense given the archaeological, geological and hydro-logical records..then he moves goalposts and still refuses to concede a thing...
this clip is a perfect example of the fight that goes on whenever academia is challenged on long accepted theories-as -facts regarding Egypt and many other places
much of what the mainstream arch/ Egyptology community uses to deny these challenges is that before a few yrs ago, there were no older man made structures of the order of either the sphinx or any pyramid. Then Golbeke-Tepe was discovered in Syria/Turkey. that site is dated to 10 -12,000 yrs ago. showing that i the near proximity of Egypt, there were people with the technology to work in massive stone construction
YJ02
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same guy as in the above video-Graham Hancock
" the (builders) of Gobelke tepe built it among the hunter gatherers in the area in an attempt to restart their lost civilization"
"Plato's writing of the time of the sinking of Atlantis coincides exactly with the carbon dating of Gobelke tepe"
"Gobelke Tepe, including its yet to be dug up underground areas, is 50 times larger then stonehenge"
50 million sq kilometers of dry surface land was lost to sea level rise from northern ice caps being melted from comet fragment impacts
these would be the lost civilization that was lost in the rising sea levels of the time--all levels undeniably supported by geologic and archaeological as well as other disciplines of research- established as well by the main stream academics.
Graham and others also posit that in turn they helped the hunter gatherers of this start agriculture? agri. in this area (fertile crescent) is establish by the 'main stream' academia as starting at the same time Gobelke tepe was INTENTIONALLY buried.
it will be decades before this stuff makes it into textbooks-- Hancock and others are all treated about as well as Daniel Jackson in the orig SG movie! Only these guys don't use alien involvement!
" the (builders) of Gobelke tepe built it among the hunter gatherers in the area in an attempt to restart their lost civilization"
"Plato's writing of the time of the sinking of Atlantis coincides exactly with the carbon dating of Gobelke tepe"
"Gobelke Tepe, including its yet to be dug up underground areas, is 50 times larger then stonehenge"
50 million sq kilometers of dry surface land was lost to sea level rise from northern ice caps being melted from comet fragment impacts
these would be the lost civilization that was lost in the rising sea levels of the time--all levels undeniably supported by geologic and archaeological as well as other disciplines of research- established as well by the main stream academics.
Graham and others also posit that in turn they helped the hunter gatherers of this start agriculture? agri. in this area (fertile crescent) is establish by the 'main stream' academia as starting at the same time Gobelke tepe was INTENTIONALLY buried.
it will be decades before this stuff makes it into textbooks-- Hancock and others are all treated about as well as Daniel Jackson in the orig SG movie! Only these guys don't use alien involvement!
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
DNA testing of 'red haired' new zealand aboriginals shows a link to peoples of south america, north africa and the middle east
also shared with the ppls in Peru whose skeletal remains have natural elongated heads and red hair. these ppl's dna also traces back to north africa and the mid east
dna backs up the legends and oral histories these ppls have been telling for generations about their origins and travels
A trail of migration from the mid east across north africa (there are the same DNA markers in some, very few egyptian mummies) to west africa and south america and then to easter island and finally new zealand
also shared with the ppls in Peru whose skeletal remains have natural elongated heads and red hair. these ppl's dna also traces back to north africa and the mid east
dna backs up the legends and oral histories these ppls have been telling for generations about their origins and travels
A trail of migration from the mid east across north africa (there are the same DNA markers in some, very few egyptian mummies) to west africa and south america and then to easter island and finally new zealand
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Lord Ba'al
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This i
This is awesome. I know who'd be the perfect guy to fund investigation in this area.
This is awesome. I know who'd be the perfect guy to fund investigation in this area.