'Human Centipede'-Sequel - so horrifying BBFC refuses to classify it.

Tropicana

Council Member
Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jun/06/human-centipede-sequel-bbfc


Human Centipede, a 2010 horror film in which a scientist stitches kidnap victims together, was proudly touted as "the most horrific film ever made".

But its Dutch director, Tom Six, may have gone too far in the follow-up, because the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has denied The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) an 18 certificate for fears it poses a "real risk" to cinemagoers.

The BBFC refusal means it cannot be legally supplied anywhere in the UK – even on DVD or download.

In the sequel, a man becomes erotically obsessed with a DVD copy of the original film – in which the victims are surgically stitched together mouth to anus – and decides to recreate the idea.

The film then focuses on his fantasies and the torture he inflicts. One scene involves him wrapping barbed wire around his penis and raping the woman at the end of the centipede, having become aroused by the sight of his victims being forced to defecate into each others' mouths.

The BBFC described the central plot of the film as the "sexual arousal of the central character at both the idea and the spectacle of the total degradation, humiliation, mutilation, torture and murder of his naked victims".

It took the rare move of refusing to classify the film and explaining that no amount of cuts would allow them to give it a certificate.

"There is little attempt to portray any of the victims in the film as anything other than objects to be brutalised, degraded and mutilated for the amusement and arousal of the central character, as well as for the pleasure of the audience," the BBFC said.

The board also said The Human Centipede II may breach the Obscene Publications Act, and "poses a real, as opposed to a fanciful, risk that harm is likely to be caused to potential viewers".

Only 11 films have been banned outright by the BBFC in its 99-year history, the most recent being Grotesque, a 2009 Japanese horror film whose premise was likewise deemed dangerously offensive.

"The chief pleasure on offer," said BBFC director David Cooke at the time, "seems to be wallowing in the spectacle of sadism (including sexual sadism) for its own sake."

Grotesque's director, Koji Shiraishi, responded warmly to the ban, saying he was "delighted and flattered ... since the film is an honest, conscientious work, made to upset the so-called moralists".

Last year the organisation demanded an extensive edit totalling 49 cuts to A Serbian Film, another hardcore torture movie, before it was passed with an 18 certificate.

But the publicity surrounding the BBFC's action was feared to have increased the film's reach.

Similar fears surrounded the release of the first Human Centipede film, whose content was vigorously defended by Six in interviews.

The director also promised then that part one would be "My Little Pony compared with part two".

Of the 11 films the BBFC has banned, eight have since been passed uncut, among them Tod Browning's Freaks and Tobe Hooper's The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
 

Tropicana

Council Member
I saw the first film that was shown on Syfy UK one night, I nearly puked a couple of times cos my brain decided to fill in some of the details, like imagining feaces being passed along from body 1 into body 2 by the force connection the mad scientist made.
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jun/06/human-centipede-sequel-bbfc


Human Centipede, a 2010 horror film in which a scientist stitches kidnap victims together, was proudly touted as "the most horrific film ever made".

But its Dutch director, Tom Six, may have gone too far in the follow-up, because the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has denied The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) an 18 certificate for fears it poses a "real risk" to cinemagoers.

The BBFC refusal means it cannot be legally supplied anywhere in the UK – even on DVD or download.

In the sequel, a man becomes erotically obsessed with a DVD copy of the original film – in which the victims are surgically stitched together mouth to anus – and decides to recreate the idea.

The film then focuses on his fantasies and the torture he inflicts. One scene involves him wrapping barbed wire around his penis and raping the woman at the end of the centipede, having become aroused by the sight of his victims being forced to defecate into each others' mouths.

The BBFC described the central plot of the film as the "sexual arousal of the central character at both the idea and the spectacle of the total degradation, humiliation, mutilation, torture and murder of his naked victims".

It took the rare move of refusing to classify the film and explaining that no amount of cuts would allow them to give it a certificate.

"There is little attempt to portray any of the victims in the film as anything other than objects to be brutalised, degraded and mutilated for the amusement and arousal of the central character, as well as for the pleasure of the audience," the BBFC said.

The board also said The Human Centipede II may breach the Obscene Publications Act, and "poses a real, as opposed to a fanciful, risk that harm is likely to be caused to potential viewers".

Only 11 films have been banned outright by the BBFC in its 99-year history, the most recent being Grotesque, a 2009 Japanese horror film whose premise was likewise deemed dangerously offensive.

"The chief pleasure on offer," said BBFC director David Cooke at the time, "seems to be wallowing in the spectacle of sadism (including sexual sadism) for its own sake."

Grotesque's director, Koji Shiraishi, responded warmly to the ban, saying he was "delighted and flattered ... since the film is an honest, conscientious work, made to upset the so-called moralists".

Last year the organisation demanded an extensive edit totalling 49 cuts to A Serbian Film, another hardcore torture movie, before it was passed with an 18 certificate.

But the publicity surrounding the BBFC's action was feared to have increased the film's reach.

Similar fears surrounded the release of the first Human Centipede film, whose content was vigorously defended by Six in interviews.

The director also promised then that part one would be "My Little Pony compared with part two".

Of the 11 films the BBFC has banned, eight have since been passed uncut, among them Tod Browning's Freaks and Tobe Hooper's The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Stuff like this comes from the minds of mentally disturbed people. I have no desire to watch anything like this, and I am disturbed that it even exists. If I were British Intelligence, I would be investigating its creator for possible psychotic tendencies. Its SICK. Even sicker are those who would find entertainment in such disgusting fodder. OMG, what a sicko it would take to create such a film!
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
Stuff like this comes from the minds of mentally disturbed people. I have no desire to watch anything like tyhis, and I am disturbed that it even exists. If I were British Intelligence, I would be investigating its creator for possible psychotic tendencies. Its SICK. Even sicker are those wou would find entertainment in sucg disgusting fodder. OMG, what a sicko it would take to create such a film!

I agree, the people who produce such insane crap (and I mean insane in the truest definition of the word) are definitely mentally disturbed. So are the people who bankroll it and more importantly the people who actually pay to view such depraved, twisted, demented garbage.

This trend of "gorn" movies over the last few years clearly states that there's something wrong with our society. It's one thing for a nut job to create a movie like this but quite another for the viewing public to accept it. In a sane world such crap would have been shunned out of existence.

The only issue I have would be that of the government telling people what they can and cannot view. We're not talking about actual violence against people here but rather simulated acts done so with the consent of paid actors. Last I checked those people were free to accept the acting job or not. Same thing applies to people wanting to view the movie(s); we're all free to view this crap or not. No one is forcing us to watch and no one is forcing us to buy the DVD's. The government has no place in regulating fictional content. I can see having a warning and/or rating for movies like this, but outright restricting the sale and distribution of it is definitely government overreach.

That said, society should be in agreement that this stuff is pure crap and shouldn't be supported financially. I'd like to think that the percentage of psychopaths in our population is too small to support "gorn" movies, but sadly I seem to be proven wrong about that of late. :(
 

Tropicana

Council Member
In the sequel, a man becomes erotically obsessed with a DVD copy of the original film – in which the victims are surgically stitched together mouth to anus – and decides to recreate the idea.

The film then focuses on his fantasies and the torture he inflicts. One scene involves him wrapping barbed wire around his penis and raping the woman at the end of the centipede, having become aroused by the sight of his victims being forced to defecate into each others' mouths.
I'm about to puke at the very thought of that. It is so wrong, sure I think a certain few individuals at GW would probably love that idea - and make up some stuff like the victims had got a contract written so makes it ok.

I'm glad this film will be barred from being shown here in the UK. That's just too much IMO.
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
I'm about to puke at the very thought of that. It is so wrong, sure I think a certain few individuals at GW would probably love that idea - and make up some stuff like the victims had got a contract written so makes it ok.

I'm glad this film will be barred from being shown here in the UK. That's just too much IMO.

I made the mistake of seeing some of the original one on Netflix last year and *that* was bad enough. That type of movie will probably find an audience in Japan as they're no strangers to snuff-type films. Some stuff that comes out of Japan can be pretty sick.
 

YoshiKart64

Well Known GateFan
Read the description of why it was banned; I can't see anyone trying to argue against it. I'm all for free speech but that kind of thing is just sick.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
Read the description of why it was banned; I can't see anyone trying to argue against it. I'm all for free speech but that kind of thing is just sick.

It's still governmental overreach no matter how you slice it. It's one thing to regulate who can view it in terms of age, but when you're talking about grown adults being denied the ability to decide for themselves then you have tyranny.

Again, we're talking about fiction. No one is actually being harmed physically in the making of these types of films. Whether or not they are harmed mentally is something only they know and if so, it's done by their choice.

I'd go so far to say that governmental overreach when it comes to individual fictional viewing choices is as grotesque and disgusting as these types of movies themselves. And if anyone disputes this I need only point to the grotesque real horrors perpetrated by tyrannical governments against their own people over millenia.

And no, this is not a defense of this movie or any of these movies. One can despise both these movies and the Big Brother government meddling into our lives at the same time. ;)
 

Tropicana

Council Member
I made the mistake of seeing some of the original one on Netflix last year and *that* was bad enough. That type of movie will probably find an audience in Japan as they're no strangers to snuff-type films. Some stuff that comes out of Japan can be pretty sick.
Like I said, I got to see it on Syfy UK, I thought it was gonna be about some swamp-like creature of the deep movie, human centipede stalking a town and the sheriff and team have to kill it (typical Syfy channel stuff), but alas no. The EPG (Electronic Programme Guide) didn't say much for the entry.
 

Tropicana

Council Member
It's still governmental overreach no matter how you slice it. It's one thing to regulate who can view it in terms of age, but when you're talking about grown adults being denied the ability to decide for themselves then you have tyranny.

Again, we're talking about fiction. No one is actually being harmed physically in the making of these types of films. Whether or not they are harmed mentally is something only they know and if so, it's done by their choice.

I'd go so far to say that governmental overreach when it comes to individual fictional viewing choices is as grotesque and disgusting as these types of movies themselves. And if anyone disputes this I need only point to the grotesque real horrors perpetrated by tyrannical governments against their own people over millenia.

And no, this is not a defense of this movie or any of these movies. One can despise both these movies and the Big Brother government meddling into our lives at the same time. ;)
In BBFC's defence, BBFC are not regulated by the Government at all. They are supposedly independent. How independent? I don't know.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
In BBFC's defence, BBFC are not regulated by the Government at all. They are supposedly independent. How independent? I don't know.

Then how can they possibly prevent this movie (these movies) from being shown and/or sold via DVD???
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
my take

nothing I would be interested in seeing or reading about. i know there is a heck of a lot of stuff out there that would disgust me so I don't go looking for it. I'll stay in my innocence corner over here. :)
 

Mr. A

Super Moderator +
Then how can they possibly prevent this movie (these movies) from being shown and/or sold via DVD???
The same way they prevent child pornography, real violence and other sick stuff from being sold/shown...? unsure.gif
 

YoshiKart64

Well Known GateFan
They have only ever banned 2 things in recent memory; Manhunt 2 and this. Both were deemed so bad they posed a very real risk to the general population.

If you read why they banned this you really can't help but agree with them; it went beyond art.
 

Tropicana

Council Member
They have only ever banned 2 things in recent memory; Manhunt 2 and this. Both were deemed so bad they posed a very real risk to the general population.

If you read why they banned this you really can't help but agree with them; it went beyond art.
Agreed!
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
They have a statutory requirement to classify films, DVDs, some video games under Video Recordings Act 2010.

Then this would be government regulation and not that of an independent body. If it's a statute then that is a legal code and hence part of government regulation.

Now I'm not saying movies and video games, etc. shouldn't be classified, but to outright ban them due to fictional content is going too far.
 

Tropicana

Council Member
And here I thought u meant an active body under direct Government control like a ministerial position or something.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
They have only ever banned 2 things in recent memory; Manhunt 2 and this. Both were deemed so bad they posed a very real risk to the general population.

If you read why they banned this you really can't help but agree with them; it went beyond art.

I would ask you to define "art" but it would be a moot point as the aesthetics aren't at issue here. We're talking about fictional content here, not definitions of what is or isn't "art". It's perfectly fine to regulate what children (who are not legal adults) can view but that regulation stops at the point a person becomes a legal adult. The last thing we need is the government telling the adult citizenry what they can or cannot view or read (or participate in) when it comes to fictional content.

And I see no explanation of what a "very real risk to the general population" is nor do I see how such measurement could be valid as it automatically removes the rights of individuals to participate in not only commerce but their own entertainment activities. If someone is inspired to go out and kidnap and murder other humans simply because they watched one of these movies then that is not the fault of the movie, it's the fault of the person doing the kidnapping and murdering. After all, movies don't kill people, people kill people. It really is that simple.
 

Tropicana

Council Member
It's not like BBFC ban all films, lol. They do allow stuff to be made available.

Our culture over here is, if something bad/something that could lead to something bad could be prevented then do it over the top and to the extreme.

So say this film wasn't banned and was allowed to be screened in cinemas, most of the audience would see it as a make believe film and leave after vomiting for 2 hours. Then there are some that are so captivated by the images they may want to follow suit out of interest.

Then say it was found out, some guy has made a real life version of the human centipede, he will just blame it on the film. We can't exactly prosecute the film producer, so all eyes would be turning to the BBFC for even allowing this film to be released in the first place despite having questionable content. We're obsessed with finding blame when something goes wrong and seeking justice, ensuring it doesn't happen and that heads roll.

Your idea would be fine if everybody in this country know about self-regulation and knowing when to stay away or to realise the film isn't real and not to follow what you see; but sadly people here need to be regulated. They are that impressionable.
 
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