Cloning

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  1. heisenberg

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    I actually want this to happen. The science is mind blogging and so cool, it's a Sci-fi's addict's dream. I don't know why many are against this? Imagine the good things we can do with this technology. Grow organs/grow limbs/do a brain transplant even so you can continue to live.
     
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  2. Overmind One

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    I won't comment much on this thread. I will come out and say I am against it.
     
  3. PussyGalore

    PussyGalore Is he from Gabon?

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    Cloning? My God! Did this movie teach us nothing?! :icon_e_surprised:

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  4. Lord Ba'al

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    I have nothing against cloning a woolly mammoth.
     
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  5. Overmind One

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    Why? The order of Nature extincts beings and variants of beings when they no longer fit into the biosphere and cannot adapt. The elephant continued, and the mammoths went extinct. Are they gonna resurrect Neanderthal or perhaps T-Rex or sabre-toothed tigers too?

    I wish karma on all scientists and companies who are involved in this terrible project.
     
  6. Lord Ba'al

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    If you have such a problem with going against nature then you should theoretically also be against every invention mankind ever made including every alteration to the planet that was made. I don't see a problem with bringing back an extinct species. Mankind has been the cause of plenty of extinctions. Whether or not that was the case with the mammoth is debateable, but man sure did hunt mammoths. What hurt would it do if there were mammoths again?
     
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  8. Overmind One

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    This is illogical and silly. :)

    Because there is no place in the ecosystem for it. If resurrected, any mammoths would be put in zoos or labs and not allowed to exist as Nature intended. Yes, man hunted mammoths, but they did not cause them to become extinct. The climate most likely did that, as the mammoths were ice age mammals. The "hurt" is moral and ethical. It seems that certain cultures just lack any sense of a moral compass whatsoever. Yet other cultures simply live in accordance with Nature without needing to give it a second thought. This should be uncomfortable science. Nature has a way of punishing those who openly defy the natural order of things. The wooly mammoth enjoyed a long span of success on earth. When the environment changed, they went extinct...actually it was their TRAITS that went extinct, and their elephant cousins took over. Neanderthal suffered the same fate. Bring back the dodo bird, or the passenger pigeon, which were extincted by Man. That would be a morally correct move to make.

    You give me a good reason to resurrect the mammoth by cloning. WHY would anyone want to do that? As a scientific novelty? An expression of "because I can"? There are consequences beyond any measure of control that will come into play.
     
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    Let me put it another way...is there anyone you used to know and love who is dead and buried today? What if some scientist told you they could resurrect your dead loved one? After say, about 20 or 30 or even 50 years? Does that put it a little more in perspective?
     
  10. heisenberg

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    I don't see anything wrong with that.
     
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  11. Overmind One

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    Okay. I just find that a bit disturbing. Scientifically, I find it intriguing. Ethically, I find it unacceptable. There is no legitimate reason to resurrect the extinct wooly mammoth or any other extinct species unless it was corrective (reversing man's extinctions of certain species or greatly reducing their numbers below replacement). Other than that, what would the reasoning be? I wonder how much of the money spent on this project would help advance preservation efforts for living elephant species in Asia and Africa?
     
  12. heisenberg

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    I don't see anything wrong with that either. If it can be done, it should be done. We can use that tech for other uses or for ourselves. Just because nature wiped it out, doesn't mean we shouldn't bring it back to life. The sad Irony is that, most species got get wiped out by deforestation and generally human intervention.It does not hurt anyone or anything, therefore I don't see anything ethically wrong with it.

    The only reason why they are using the woolly is because we have a compatible surrogate species known as the elephant. It makes cloning easier and it will help us better understand how this technology can be used. Plus the findings and results we will use to improve the tech and eventually bring back other extinct species.

    If it's used for good and has reasons to help some of the endangered species or species that have been wiped off because of our wrong doing, is why this needs to happen. If we can bring back the woolly mammoth, we can use that technology to bring back other extinct species that were wiped by us.


    I hate that people are using the ivory for it but that's probably the only reason I would say is 'unethical' about it. Is that why you are against it? If that's the reason, than I would agree, but you can't stop poachers from doing the wrong thing. You can see that even now, they don't seem to give a shit even if it's rotting and infact, it's that disgusting greed that fuels their cravings ugh...gross!
     
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  13. PussyGalore

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    That person wouldn't be your loved one, they would be a completely unique individual onto themselves. Just because you used DNA from Grandma's corpse the person that was cloned from that would not be Grandma. Physiologically that person would resemble Grandma but the content of their brain and personality wouldn't be her at all. Their personality, who they love and care about and what they know about the world would be based upon the world they inhabit today, which may or may not include you.
     
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  14. Lord Ba'al

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    If I were to be cloned many times, the world would be a better place for it. :P
     
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