William Shatner to appear in Star Trek 3 (2016)

[Overmind One]

*sigh*

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/william-shatner-teases-his-return-738628



I liked Captain Kirk. A lot. In 1966 and through the movies of TOS. But the Kirk that died in Generations needed to be put to rest. I wont be a Grumbling George about it at this point, but Kirk is dead. He isnt lost in time or between living states, he is dead and buried. Captain Picard buried him under some rocks on that moon where Sorin was trying to get back to the Nexus. We did see the remains get beamed out, but exactly how would they put him in this JJ universe? We know Spock got there by going through a black hole created by red matter. We know why there are two Spocks in the timeline, and both Spocks know about each other. So how would William Shatner's Kirk get into the new timeline?

Before the tweet, Shatner admitted he was contacted by J.J. Abrams, who is producing but not directing the new movie. Badass Digest, which first broke the story of Shatner being approached for a cameo, is saying the actor would share a scene with Chris Pine, who plays the young Kirk — as well as the two Spocks, Zachary Quinto and Leonard Nimoy.

How?

I remember how I felt in Generations where Kirk says something to Picard like "I was flying around the galaxy when you were still in diapers" or something like that. Not just an eye roll, but a complete headroll (with smirk). No doubt he will do something equally as asinine in the new movie. Besides that, HOW will they get him in this timeline? Do Orci and Abrams realize that Kirk did not have nearly as big a following as Spock? Nimoy is a draw....Shatner is a mercy casting. Dont get me wrong, it will be VERY cool to see Nimoy and Shatner together again in Star Trek, just for that alone. But done poorly, it could sink the remaining liferafts of NuTrek after Into Darkness virtually destroyed the very fabric of the Trek universe.

Anyway, Im not happy about this. Not because of Kirk, because I loved Kirk. But I know that to bring him into the new timeline they have to shoehorn him in there and come up with some stupid trope to do it.

Thoughts?

 

[Joelist]

Maybe he is there to reprise his role from the Priceline.com ads?

 

[Jim of WVa]

Stunt casting.

 

[Bluce Ree]

*sigh*

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/william-shatner-teases-his-return-738628



I liked Captain Kirk. A lot. In 1966 and through the movies of TOS. But the Kirk that died in Generations needed to be put to rest. I wont be a Grumbling George about it at this point, but Kirk is dead. He isnt lost in time or between living states, he is dead and buried. Captain Picard buried him under some rocks on that moon where Sorin was trying to get back to the Nexus. We did see the remains get beamed out, but exactly how would they put him in this JJ universe? We know Spock got there by going through a black hole created by red matter. We know why there are two Spocks in the timeline, and both Spocks know about each other. So how would William Shatner's Kirk get into the new timeline?

Generations can't be canon. The way the Nexus was explained, there is no way to know if he ever really left.

Even if he were dead, Kirk could appear from an earlier point in time.

 

[Overmind One]

Generations can't be canon. The way the Nexus was explained, there is no way to know if he ever really left.

Even if he were dead, Kirk could appear from an earlier point in time.

TRUE...but he is a bloated old guy now. Even the Nexus was in the old timeline. If they have him interacting with NuSpock and NuKirk, that means his corporeal body is in the new timeline....HOW? That is what worries me. Not him being in the movie, after all he is THE Captain Kirk. He belongs in Trek. But if they bring him back by creating an implausible deus ex machina, it will have a negative effect. In any case, Im hoping this next Trek will be the last until the next reboot or a series comes to TV (not from NuTrek).

 

[Bluce Ree]

TRUE...but he is a bloated old guy now. Even the Nexus was in the old timeline. If they have him interacting with NuSpock and NuKirk, that means his corporeal body is in the new timeline....HOW? That is what worries me. Not him being in the movie, after all he is THE Captain Kirk. He belongs in Trek. But if they bring him back by creating an implausible deus ex machina, it will have a negative effect. In any case, Im hoping this next Trek will be the last until the next reboot or a series comes to TV (not from NuTrek).

I'd like to see this iteration of Trek fixed and continue. I think they have the perfect group of actors portraying the characters with such great chemistry. The chances they would assemble another group of actors to play all these characters so perfectly are next to nil.

 

[Overmind One]

I'd like to see this iteration of Trek fixed and continue. I think they have the perfect group of actors portraying the characters with such great chemistry. The chances they would assemble another group of actors to play all these characters so perfectly are next to nil.

Then you haven't watched Star Trek Continues. Granted, they are no-name actors, but they are GOOD and they actually match the originals better than the ones in NuTrek...by a large margin, I might add. The reason I want the NuTrek universe to die is because it is ruined by the meddling of JJ. How do you undo transwarp beaming or magic tribble blood or red matter? What about the totally lame Enterprise GT, blown up Vulcan, Spock and Uhura, Blingons and phasers with moving parts and rotating gun barrels?

I feel like I did when watching Total Recall 2012. It was an okay movie, kinda fun to watch, but it wasn't Total Recall. These NuTrek movies will always be inferior to me because the universe it takes place in no longer makes sense.

EDIT:

Imagine, if you will...the actual characters from TOS (at their original ages) doing their thing in the JJ universe. The characters are right, but the universe is screwed. In this NuTrek, you could actually have Transporter Wars. Planets do not have to fight, they just need to beam photon torpedos to the target and detonate them. Need to kidnap a planetary leader? Beam him to earth. What is Spock now? He is not a real Vulcan. He is just an angsty alien with a Terran girlfriend. Why did he leave his gig at Starfleet Command? You dont even need Doctor McCoy because the tribble blood cures everything up to and including death. If it goes on with NuTrek, then when Voyager gets lost in the Delta Quadrant, all you have to do is beam them back.

 

[shavedape]

I agree with OM1. There's no reason to include Shatner in any of these new movies. Even if it's just old Spock having a flashback it will still be nothing more than a marketing gimmick.

And this is the problem I have with most successful characters these days (granted, mostly bad guys) -- the writers never let them die. Dr. Who has the Daleks. Buffy has Spike. nuST has the Borg, Stargate has the Replicators, etc. etc. etc. In this instance though the old Kirk is done. He's been put to bed. There's no need to ever use him again. William Shatner has enough money. Dude needs to retire and the writers need to look forward, not back. And if the writers can't figure out how to write new stuff for the new versions of these characters then they need to quit their jobs and let someone more creative earn their pay.

 

[Jim of WVa]

I don't see how they can bring him back without the Nexus (TM), and the less said about the Nexus (TM), the better.

 

[Overmind One]

I agree with OM1. There's no reason to include Shatner in any of these new movies. Even if it's just old Spock having a flashback it will still be nothing more than a marketing gimmick.

And this is the problem I have with most successful characters these days (granted, mostly bad guys) -- the writers never let them die. Dr. Who has the Daleks. Buffy has Spike. nuST has the Borg, Stargate has the Replicators, etc. etc. etc. In this instance though the old Kirk is done. He's been put to bed. There's no need to ever use him again. William Shatner has enough money. Dude needs to retire and the writers need to look forward, not back. And if the writers can't figure out how to write new stuff for the new versions of these characters then they need to quit their jobs and let someone more creative earn their pay.

They are in the same conundrum as SGU was. NuTrek now has a new group of rabid fans (albeit a small group), but the majority of the Trek fanbase hates the new movies with a passion as bad as SGUS had for Stargate Universe. We dont want new ones, we want it gone. If it means dumping the AWESOME new cast to make that happen, then fine. However, they might fix it by putting the new characters in a movie that somehow gets them back into the Prime Universe where there is no transwarp beaming or magic tribble blood. Also, NuSpock needs to be sent to Vulcan to unlearn his mack daddy behaviors and embrace logic. I would prefer it to be struck from true Trek canon, actually.
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I don't see how they can bring him back without the Nexus (TM), and the less said about the Nexus (TM), the better.

They could use the Nexus to get back to the Prime universe. But Orci does not have the writing talent or desire to do that.

 

[Overmind One]

Eau my gawd.....more details:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Deta...ar-Trek-3-Cameo-Have-Been-Revealed-67572.html

Badass Digest runs with the scoop that William Shatner would share a scene with Chris Pine’s Captain Kirk in Star Trek 3, thanks to the magic of time travel. At least, that’s what we are assuming, as it is being reported that young Kirk (Pine) and Spock (Zachary Quinto) would interact with future versions of their characters (played by Shatner and Nimoy) for an integral scene. Here’s the kicker. According to the report:

This won't be original timeline Spock -- it'll be future alt-timeline Kirk and Spock. Basically the scene will have Kirk and Spock interacting with their future selves."

Well, sure. That makes sense. Because according to the reset that occurred in J.J. Abrams’ 2009 Star Trek, the current versions of Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock are chugging along on an alternate timeline, so they wouldn’t be able to leap over to the original timeline that had been established by the first run of Star Trek characters.

 

[shavedape]

Eau my gawd.....more details:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Deta...ar-Trek-3-Cameo-Have-Been-Revealed-67572.html

Low-imagination marketing gimmick without a doubt. It's beyond obvious.

I think we just have to put our seat belts on and get thru this train wreck series of ST films. Hopefully someone will come along in our lifetimes and do the concept justice in terms of a reboot. It's a shame because I had high hopes from the first one, but the second one -- oy!

 

[Bluce Ree]

Then you haven't watched Star Trek Continues.

Yes I have, every episode. Spock is off and McCoy is all wrong. How many McCoys have they gone through?

You have to admit that, in spite of the clusterfuck Abrams made out of the story and franchise, they could not have picked a better ensemble of actors to play young versions of the original crew. They're not identical in any way but they captured the essence and spirit of the original characters almost perfectly.

 

[Bluce Ree]

Eau my gawd.....more details:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Deta...ar-Trek-3-Cameo-Have-Been-Revealed-67572.html

That gun Kirk is holding in the photo looks like "The Anal Intruder" from the movie Top Secret.

 

[Overmind One]

Yes I have, every episode. Spock is off and McCoy is all wrong. How many McCoys have they gone through?

Spock may be off, but he is way WAY closer to real Spock than the wimpy anger-ridden pussy-whipped Spock in NuTrek. Yes, McCoy is off, but they have a ship's counselor to balance that out. Scotty in STC is way way BETTER than the one on NuTrek, mainly because he is Doohan's son. Uhura in STC is so close to Niclelle Nichols' character they could be sisters in the show. Sulu is better, Chekov is better. They can grow and change as necessary, even killing off characters or replacing them. In NuTrek, the entire universe is messed up.

You have to admit that, in spite of the clusterfuck Abrams made out of the story and franchise, they could not have picked a better ensemble of actors to play young versions of the original crew. They're not identical in any way but they captured the essence and spirit of the original characters almost perfectly.

I agree about the cast. I always said he picked the perfect cast for a Trek reboot...now, all they have to do is reboot Trek (real Trek). The NuTrek universe changes it into something completely un-Trek. The damage is universal. It affects every single aspect of the show to it's very core. The DNA of Trek belongs to a different creature now. NuTrek is not an update, it is a changeling. Kill it with fire!

 

[Bluce Ree]

Spock may be off, but he is way WAY closer to real Spock than the wimpy anger-ridden pussy-whipped Spock in NuTrek.

I disagree. Quinto's Spock is just perfect. Spock was 1/2 human and it would show more during his younger years as he struggled to master his emotions. Quinto does it well, without cracking smiles like early TOS Spock.

Yes, McCoy is off, but they have a ship's counselor to balance that out.

That's neither here nor there because the subject matter was "STC's McCoy sucks".

Scotty in STC is way way BETTER than the one on NuTrek, mainly because he is Doohan's son.

Agreed! But Simon Pegg's Scotty isn't bad in any case.

Uhura in STC is so close to Niclelle Nichols' character they could be sisters in the show. Sulu is better, Chekov is better. They can grow and change as necessary, even killing off characters or replacing them.

I can't disagree.

In NuTrek, the entire universe is messed up.



I agree about the cast. I always said he picked the perfect cast for a Trek reboot...now, all they have to do is reboot Trek (real Trek). The NuTrek universe changes it into something completely un-Trek. The damage is universal. It affects every single aspect of the show to it's very core. The DNA of Trek belongs to a different creature now. NuTrek is not an update, it is a changeling. Kill it with fire!

Maybe someone else may head the franchise and reboot that timeline. They need to delete from existence the "red matter" bullshit, the "transwarp teleportation" (a term that is, in and of itself, a non sequitur), the funky hipster gladiator Klingons and, of course, Monty Python's Khan.

 

[Joelist]

Keep Nu McCoy's actor at least. Karl Urban nailed the role so exactly that it felt like he was channeling DeForrest Kelly (and I am not the only person on the net to react that way).

 

[shavedape]

The casting for nuST is good with the exception of Chekov. Anton Yelchin was completely miscast in the role in my opinion.

 

[Bluce Ree]

The casting for nuST is good with the exception of Chekov. Anton Yelchin was completely miscast in the role in my opinion.

You're right. I completely forgot about Chekov, probably because his character in new Trek was completely forgettable. They also had him completely screw up the Russian accent. Russians will pronounce "W" as "V" and not the other way around.

 

[Overmind One]

Keep Nu McCoy's actor at least. Karl Urban nailed the role so exactly that it felt like he was channeling DeForrest Kelly (and I am not the only person on the net to react that way).

The NuTrek CAST is awesome. I think they picked a shiny new and great ensemble cast to replace the originals. If there is a way to keep that and just sorta "dump" the universe they are in right now, we would have some awesome movies worthy of carrying the Trek torch into the future generations as all the Trek series and movies have done up till now. NuTrek is a flash in the pan. How do you work transwarp beaming into the future of this NuUniverse? Kahn took out Klingon birds of prey with a hand weapon. . And of course, Kirk dies and is brought back to life by magic tribble blood.

If there is a way to divorce this cast from the Abrams disaster of a Trek universe, the future of Trek would be great. Imagine for a minute, this new cast in The Wrath of Kahn movie.