SGU question

[shavedape]

As much as I hate thinking about this turd of a show I found myself wondering about that episode where they met up with the seeder ship. If the seeder ships manufacture and place the stargates on planets how could Destiny dial into any stargates past the point of overtaking that seeder ship?

Even allowing for the fact that Destiny wasn't flying in a straight line, there would still be a finite amount of stargates in whatever direction it went. The fact that they overtook a seeder ship proves that they had passed into the undiscovered frontier, hence no more stargates on planets they would be passing (in that direction at least).

Now I could be forgetting pertinent facts as I hate this show and the only fact I've made it a point to retain in memory is that it was a really stupid show that deserved to be cancelled. But maybe someone else remembers some facts about this topic and can enlighten me.

 

[Overmind One]

As much as I hate thinking about this turd of a show I found myself wondering about that episode where they met up with the seeder ship. If the seeder ships manufacture and place the stargates on planets how could Destiny dial into any stargates past the point of overtaking that seeder ship?

Even allowing for the fact that Destiny wasn't flying in a straight line, there would still be a finite amount of stargates in whatever direction it went. The fact that they overtook a seeder ship proves that they had passed into the undiscovered frontier, hence no more stargates on planets they would be passing (in that direction at least).

Now I could be forgetting pertinent facts as I hate this show and the only fact I've made it a point to retain in memory is that it was a really stupid show that deserved to be cancelled. But maybe someone else remembers some facts about this topic and can enlighten me.

Oh wow...this thread could spawn an entire diatribe! Did you recently rewatch it? I did that a couple of years ago, and I still could not connect the events. But to answer the question, evidently there must have been several seeder ships from what they said. I could never get past the notion that an advanced race would send out automated ships to deploy the stargates. The seeder ship they showed was capable of manufacturing the gates, no? Any one of those ships captured could have been used as a weapon by another advanced race. It is akin to sending automated cargo ships around the world which set up shipping docks wherever they detect the proper water depth and conditions for building, etc. It does not make sense.

Perhaps we should put together a rewatch for this show? Somehow, I think I might enjoy it better than NEW episodes of dreck like Defiance, Dominion, The Leftovers, Extant, etc. Defiance baffles me, SGU just pissed me off, but it didnt baffle me.

 

[shavedape]

Oh wow...this thread could spawn an entire diatribe! Did you recently rewatch it? I did that a couple of years ago, and I still could not connect the events. But to answer the question, evidently there must have been several seeder ships from what they said. I could never get past the notion that an advanced race would send out automated ships to deploy the stargates. The seeder ship they showed was capable of manufacturing the gates, no? Any one of those ships captured could have been used as a weapon by another advanced race. It is akin to sending automated cargo ships around the world which set up shipping docks wherever they detect the

Yes, but even with numerous seeder ships space is so big that they would be hard pressed to encounter any others unless they changed direction on a regular basis which would make little sense. And if they kept going in the direction that the seeder ship they encountered was going then it's safe to assume the planets they encounter in that direction wouldn't have stargates on them.

So what were the writers planning to do? Have them fly around in circles so they could keep finding planets with stargates on them?

 

[Backstep]

As much as I hate thinking about this turd of a show I found myself wondering about that episode where they met up with the seeder ship. If the seeder ships manufacture and place the stargates on planets how could Destiny dial into any stargates past the point of overtaking that seeder ship?

Even allowing for the fact that Destiny wasn't flying in a straight line, there would still be a finite amount of stargates in whatever direction it went. The fact that they overtook a seeder ship proves that they had passed into the undiscovered frontier, hence no more stargates on planets they would be passing (in that direction at least).

Now I could be forgetting pertinent facts as I hate this show and the only fact I've made it a point to retain in memory is that it was a really stupid show that deserved to be cancelled. But maybe someone else remembers some facts about this topic and can enlighten me.

Since when does plot and story line matter to emo's in an emo show? SGU could have been set on the Titanic and the emo's would have been pissed at the iceberg for interrupting the character development.

 

[shavedape]

Since when does plot and story line matter to emo's in an emo show? SGU could have been set on the Titanic and the emo's would have been pissed at the iceberg for interrupting the character development.

So you're saying there was actual character development on that show?

 

[Backstep]

So you're saying there was actual character development on that show?

By emo standards, yes.

 

[shavedape]

By emo standards, yes.

I'm afraid to ask what those standards are.

 

[Backstep]

I'm afraid to ask what those standards are.

They split into groups called 'team' this character, that character for whom the team want to ship with what character. Spend the whole show talking or naval gazing instead of actually doing something, when the characters do something, complain there is to much "pew pew" and not enough talking. In between talking about who should hookup, complain(during commercial) about the amount and length of commercials, beg for someones cable or satt tv password or their ruku or apple tv box or a site where can live stream the show. The biggie, Get indignant about spoilers on social media!

 

[shavedape]

They split into groups called 'team' this character, that character for whom the team want to ship with what character. Spend the whole show talking or naval gazing instead of actually doing something, when the characters do something, complain there is to much "pew pew" and not enough talking. In between talking about who should hookup, complain(during commercial) about the amount and length of commercials, beg for someones cable or satt tv password or their ruku or apple tv box or a site where can live stream the show. The biggie, Get indignant about spoilers on social media!

How dare you, Taylor Lautner loves me!

 

[Backstep]

How dare you, Taylor Lautner loves me!

If Chris Pine and Taylor Lautner were chained to the Railroad tracks, who would cross the road first?

 

[Overmind One]

If Chris Pine and Taylor Lautner were chained to the Railroad tracks, who would cross the road first?

The TRAIN! (can I drive the train?)

 

[Backstep]

The TRAIN! (can I drive the train?)

Train is WRONG!

It's Kanye West coz he is in love with a Hobbit.

 

[ParagonPie]

If I recall, (as in imagine be straining so hard my insides would poop out) the Seed ship they found was found by the Urinsini* who wanted to bring back into operation, meaning it had a mechanical fault of some kind.

The only problem with dropping off Stargates on planets is that well, you have examine how long this mission will take, because if it takes say 40 thousand years to like several million (arbitary number time) to reach the destination then deploying all of those stargates would be completely useless because there wouldn't be a crew to man the Destiny who would in turn explore those planets. So what is the point?

What was the ancients plan in all of this? Send people randomly who would discover planets, catalog the information, then die of old age for a new generation of people to come through the Stargate and repeat? Because again if this mission was going to take that long (we are exploring the universe here, it will take some time) then the people will have be like mentioned before generational explorers (the ship doesn't have the facilities to be a classic generational ship) or immortal (but not in that ascended kind of way either).

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However if the seeder ships are sent out before the Destiny, then what is the point of the Destiny? Just have the Seed ship with an active stargate, have a signal which it sends saying "Oh look I've found it" to which the explorers can arrive, go "Oh how wonderful" and be back for tea and biscuits. Problem. Solved.

 

[Backstep]

If I recall, (as in imagine be straining so hard my insides would poop out) the Seed ship they found was found by the Urinsini* who wanted to bring back into operation, meaning it had a mechanical fault of some kind.

The only problem with dropping off Stargates on planets is that well, you have examine how long this mission will take, because if it takes say 40 thousand years to like several million (arbitary number time) to reach the destination then deploying all of those stargates would be completely useless because there wouldn't be a crew to man the Destiny who would in turn explore those planets. So what is the point?

What was the ancients plan in all of this? Send people randomly who would discover planets, catalog the information, then die of old age for a new generation of people to come through the Stargate and repeat? Because again if this mission was going to take that long (we are exploring the universe here, it will take some time) then the people will have be like mentioned before generational explorers (the ship doesn't have the facilities to be a classic generational ship) or immortal (but not in that ascended kind of way either).

Even under the SG1 and SGA, the Immortals never left their Galaxy to explore or gain knowledge.

 

[ParagonPie]

Even under the SG1 and SGA, the Immortals never left their Galaxy to explore or gain knowledge.

Hence why I said, not the ascended beings, but if you are going to explore the universe, you have be immortal.

 

[Backstep]

Edit*
However if the seeder ships are sent out before the Destiny, then what is the point of the Destiny? Just have the Seed ship with an active stargate, have a signal which it sends saying "Oh look I've found it" to which the explorers can arrive, go "Oh how wonderful" and be back for tea and biscuits. Problem. Solved.

Remember Brad split the gates into 2 different types, the local Galaxy dialer and the ones with the extra crystal to dial the 8th and 9th chevrons.

 

[Backstep]

Even under the SG1 and SGA, the Immortals never left their Galaxy to explore or gain knowledge.

Then I read it wrong.

With the ships placing gates as they go there will be a portion of humans that will follow the gates and settle the worlds and keep moving along. Granted some will blow themselves up, some will go religious and lose the gained knowledge, but the odds tell of at least one or more groups to keep moving and retain the accumulated knowledge. Isn't that a form of immortality?

 

[ParagonPie]

Remember Brad split the gates into 2 different types, the local Galaxy dialer and the ones with the extra crystal to dial the 8th and 9th chevrons.

Think this was part of the problem in that we have the more advanced gates (pegasus ones) being outdated by the first generation stargates the ones used by the Destiny. The one used on Icarus was just linked into the planets core for the additional power to jump into the unknown, but that in of itself raises a number of questions, like how much power do you need for a vessel that is constantly moving throughout other galaxies. So if it costs X (ZPM) to travel to the Pegasus Galaxy, then how much will it cost to travel to the Destiny, keeping in mind we have zero clue on how far it actually is in the universe, so you can't calculate the power requirements, because what if it traveled to far that the power generation of the planet was incapable of reaching it?

Then I read it wrong.

With the ships placing gates as they go there will be a portion of humans that will follow the gates and settle the worlds and keep moving along. Granted some will blow themselves up, some will go religious and lose the gained knowledge, but the odds tell of at least one or more groups to keep moving and retain the accumulated knowledge. Isn't that a form of immortality?

The idea of the gates being placed wasn't to colonize other worlds but to put down the gates for necessary resources deemed essential for the mission, but they aren't factoring in a number of problems, things like tectonic shift or world wide calamities that would cover up the gate. Again, you have to realize that the Destiny wasn't a colony ship, its a science exploration vessel (though armed with a siege canon because you never know right?).

The idea of where you coming from, that information is recorded is a form of immortality I can see that, but we don't see any evidence of that on the ship, which personally would of been great, it is a fantastic idea you've got, that the crew of the Destiny weren't the first ones there but now act as the next generation of care takers to continue its original mission, but they didn't go down that path.

 

[Gatefan1976]

This Is why I maintained that the notion of SGU was good, it was the execution of that Idea that was suck-worthy.

 

[Overmind One]

So....some of you are forgetting how and why SGU came to be? I never once forgot where the idea for SGU came from or why Stargate became a story about a ship lost far far from home, why the theme song was a tinkling piano, why hyperspace became FTL and why it was filmed with extreme shaky cam and had crippled gates. I remember when NuBSG was canceled and how the timing of SGU was designed to coincide with the ending of that show.

I think that some of you are retconning logic and creativity into the show when it wasnt there.

Just because years have passed since SGU was canceled does not mean it has become something different than it was: a cheap grab at the orphaned NuBSG audience. So, they put a gate on Destiny that is "short range" (except that it can be reached by using a special address dialed on a planet-powered stargate BILLIONS of light years away)? . It does not make sense at all. Why would they send this ship out and forget about it after leaving Atlantis for earth? Why would they leave it out there during the time the Goa'uld were dominating the Milky Way and using stolen tech from the Asurans? Why would Destiny have shuttles on it and why did they have rockets on those shuttles?

SGU was not a "fantastic idea". It was derivative and it wasnt stargate. I find it easier to watch than dreck like Defiance or Dominion or The Leftovers, but that does not mean that after all this time SGU has become better or more worthy of being called Stargate.