Robin Williams Dies
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SUICIDE???? Damn...what did he have to be depressed about? I dont understand suicides. That should never be a way out. I could even understand an attempted one, but a real suicide? Robin Williams????
Gatefan1976
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A lot of comedians are pretty depressed fellows, Benny Hill was the same way. When you hold a mirror up to the absurdity of life, it's always possible you will see the abyss that Nietzsche warned us about.
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."
I understand this quote, but I dont understand how a comedian can fall into this trap. A very famous and upcoming impersonator, Rich Little (he is 75 now) did so many awesome voices. But then his wife complained that he was doing them at home, and in bed during sex, and she forced him to get therapy under threat of divorce. He got "well", and lost his talent for impersonation. He had a TV show even. He didnt "die" literally, but his talent did. I guess some of us NEED our madness to do special things nobody else can do, huh?
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
Is it madness?
What is Madness?
Is it Insanity, or just another way of looking at the world that other people just don't see?
I would say Robin Williams WAS Mad, but hardly insane. How much pressure would that place on a person, to see the world in what may be a unique way, to be able to share it, but know that no one will ever see it the same way?
What is Madness?
Is it Insanity, or just another way of looking at the world that other people just don't see?
I would say Robin Williams WAS Mad, but hardly insane. How much pressure would that place on a person, to see the world in what may be a unique way, to be able to share it, but know that no one will ever see it the same way?
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Very sad to hear this, but anyone who suffers from depression or has suicidal thoughts, should really contact their local suicidal helpline. Life is tough, but suicide isn't the answer. It doesn't help relieve that pain. You just end up hurting not only yourself, but the people around you.
Depression is very hard to manage. We will or do go through it at one point in our lives. The causes of depression are very broad. It's from losing a loved one, to not getting what you want, not being loved, to the shit that life throws at you, or it could be a combination of all 4, but it's really down to feeling down and something you can't find happiness. People who don't suffer depression won't understand how it feels, because it's something that can only be felt or you can only truly know what it feels like when you have it. It's not a tangible thing, which is why it's difficult to pick.
Depression is a beast that is in all of us, but once you awaken it, it is very hard to manage. Drugs/alcohol just makes that beast grow in strength and size, until it consumes you. Not getting it checked does that too.
He was an alcoholic and abused drugs as well. When you combine those two and his depression, anything is possible.SUICIDE???? Damn...what did he have to be depressed about? I dont understand suicides. That should never be a way out. I could even understand an attempted one, but a real suicide? Robin Williams????
Depression is very hard to manage. We will or do go through it at one point in our lives. The causes of depression are very broad. It's from losing a loved one, to not getting what you want, not being loved, to the shit that life throws at you, or it could be a combination of all 4, but it's really down to feeling down and something you can't find happiness. People who don't suffer depression won't understand how it feels, because it's something that can only be felt or you can only truly know what it feels like when you have it. It's not a tangible thing, which is why it's difficult to pick.
Depression is a beast that is in all of us, but once you awaken it, it is very hard to manage. Drugs/alcohol just makes that beast grow in strength and size, until it consumes you. Not getting it checked does that too.
Rac80
The Belle of the Ball
Robin Williams admitted he was depressed and had manic episodes (is anyone surprised? ever seen his stand-up act? mania!) - most alcoholics & drug addicts are self-medicating a mental illness. the saddest part for me is that when he started to "get better" - he killed himself.
Honestly, it's not an unusual situation - when you are depressed & have suicide ideation what stops you from killing yourself is the depression. Then you get on meds- you are finally able to do something and what do you do? kill yourself because the suicide ideation is still there. The most dangerous time for anyone who is suicidal is as you start to "feel better"...careful observation is needed at this time. but what do you do? you can't watch the depressive constantly. some programs insist the depressive remains in a 24 hr care environment for an additional 2 to 3 weeks. Others insist on intensive daily therapy.
I feel so sad for Robin Williams' loss- he was a genius at his "art" and will be sadly missed. My heart goes out to his family.
Honestly, it's not an unusual situation - when you are depressed & have suicide ideation what stops you from killing yourself is the depression. Then you get on meds- you are finally able to do something and what do you do? kill yourself because the suicide ideation is still there. The most dangerous time for anyone who is suicidal is as you start to "feel better"...careful observation is needed at this time. but what do you do? you can't watch the depressive constantly. some programs insist the depressive remains in a 24 hr care environment for an additional 2 to 3 weeks. Others insist on intensive daily therapy.
I feel so sad for Robin Williams' loss- he was a genius at his "art" and will be sadly missed. My heart goes out to his family.
I loved Robin Williams as a personality.
I lost a good friend to suicide, caused by oxycontin addiction and alcoholism. He left friends, family and a small daughter behind and before he died everyone reached out to him to offer help with his journey. But he took his life with an intentional overdose. Honestly, when somebody is lost this way it creates more anger in me than sadness. It seems selfish and makes me think of the person as weak.Damn. Robin Williams was a comedic genius. I hope he has found peace. I feel for his family and friends and those he left behind.
shavedape
Well Known GateFan
Most people don't realize how depressing drugs can be, both legal and illegal. RW admitted to being a big coke head back in the day and I suspect that as he got older he got on prescribed medication. Quite simply, that stuff will mess with your brain to the point where it throws you in a deep, dark pit of despair, especially if you are coming down from it. Just because something is labeled an "anti-depressant" that doesn't mean it can't make you depressed. It can. In fact depression and suicidal ideation are listed as side effects on anti-depressants.
Or if RW was taking illegal drugs the younger generation has a term for what he might have been going thru. It's called being in a "K hole". It's in reference to the severe depression you get when coming down from being high on Ecstasy and "Special K" and other narcotic drugs.
Legal or illegal, it wouldn't surprise me if Williams was coming down off of something and couldn't handle being that depressed and, in a moment of stupidity, took rash action. Same thing for Kurt Cobain and most successful people that have offed themselves for no reason.
Or if RW was taking illegal drugs the younger generation has a term for what he might have been going thru. It's called being in a "K hole". It's in reference to the severe depression you get when coming down from being high on Ecstasy and "Special K" and other narcotic drugs.
Legal or illegal, it wouldn't surprise me if Williams was coming down off of something and couldn't handle being that depressed and, in a moment of stupidity, took rash action. Same thing for Kurt Cobain and most successful people that have offed themselves for no reason.
Drugs (legal and illegal) were the reason.
This is why I will never trust any doctor trying to prescribe manmade drugs to me for any reason or for any ailment. When you step back and think of say...1950 (I was not alive then), how did people deal with depression? Was the suicide rate lower? YES, it was. The solution would have been (and still is) to get off the drugs no matter what method is used to get there. Everything except taking other drugs to deal with the problem (how dumb can you be?).
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Jim of WVa
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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."
I understand this quote, but I dont understand how a comedian can fall into this trap. A very famous and upcoming impersonator, Rich Little (he is 75 now) did so many awesome voices. But then his wife complained that he was doing them at home, and in bed during sex, and she forced him to get therapy under threat of divorce. He got "well", and lost his talent for impersonation. He had a TV show even. He didnt "die" literally, but his talent did. I guess some of us NEED our madness to do special things nobody else can do, huh?
Help, I am being schupted by Ronald Reagan!!!
He does perform in Las Vegas:
Yep. But he is a mere shadow of his original talent now.
I saw him at Lake Tahoe with Charro in 1986. 
OMG...Im so old. 
Atlantis
Well Known GateFan
Jon Stewart is another comedian who took drugs as well. It must be a common thing unfortunately.
RIP and far too many talented people have died over the past 6 years. George Carlin, Donna Summers, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, James Avery, Marcia Wallace (Edna Krabappel) just to name a handful.
RIP and far too many talented people have died over the past 6 years. George Carlin, Donna Summers, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, James Avery, Marcia Wallace (Edna Krabappel) just to name a handful.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
I think drugs do more harm than good.This applies to anti-depressant too. People should look at Music has a form of therapy. Music is more powerful than people think and quotes like this
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Jim of WVa
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Drugs (legal and illegal) were the reason.
Back in the 50's a suicide was considered a family shame and never talked about. I think the rates of suicide are probable the same as today. It's the situation people find themselves in, 1920 - 1940 had a very high rate.
I'm on 10 meds, but I was picky and told my Dr. I didn't want any of the rushed to market meds that come with tons of side affects, and no powerful painkillers.
THIS. Music is definitely healing. Even moreso, is the sound of Nature itself. The sounds of a forest or a beach or a breezy night or rain are all sounds that every human would hear regularly. Our bodies are tuned to it for a number of reasons. But if you live in a city or an area devoid of wildlife and greenery, you will feel depression. Dont have a fancy noise generator? Fine...try Ecosounds here: http://en.ecosounds.net/ There is no registration, just go there and pick your scenario. The web page has volume controls for each sound element (except the beach one
).Music is great therapy.
But one has to be careful there too. Rap and hard rock are not soothing. Many people play music that makes them agitated or want to dance. Wrong choice!That second video you posted with Will Smith in it was new for me. I had never seen it. Powerful! I am going to store it on my phone.
But I think the point many of are trying to make is that depression is not terminal, unless you treat it with suicide. On some level, suicides make me feel disgust and not sadness. I have been depressed, so what...I get over it. If I have difficulty, then that is what friends, lovers and wives are for. I find it hard to have sympathy for those who commit suicides, even if I feel great sadness at the loss of these talented people.
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Jim of WVa
Well Known GateFan
Please as an honor to yourself, make a list of the chemical names (generic names) of every medication you are taking and LOOK THEM UP. Look thoroughly at side effects, clinical trials, write-ups on the drugs which are not associated or sponsored by the people who make them. Ask your doctor why you are taking them. 10 meds is a LOT. Even half that is a LOT. These meds are accumulating in your body and they are either helping or only seeming to help symptoms you may really have, or are caused by the meds themselves. I am not saying they are harmful, but I am saying they are artificial and not meant to exist.
I am obviously not a doctor.
But I do know that every single artificial drug made by Man is something inferior to whatever treatment Nature has created for the same condition. The last medication I had prescribed to me was Nexium in 2007. I was "diagnosed" with Acid Reflux Disease which is just a fancy way of saying "chronic heartburn". I weighed 260 pounds at the time and also had bouts with "sleep apnea". Only when that same doctor told me I was pre-diabetic and that I was going to be prescribed high blood pressure medications did I bother to say to myself "Wait, George! Something is not right here". I looked him in the eye and told him I was not going to take medication and asked him what my options were. His answer was simply "lose that extra weight". He gave no recommendations as to how, but I found Atkins and successfully lost the weight. But guess what...the loss of weight "cured" the sleep apnea, the chronic heartburn, the high blood pressure, reversed the pre-diabetic condition, the chronic fatigue...it was magic. I went further and saw increases in blood testosterone, lowering of bad cholesterol, higher energy, healthier skin hair and nails. Im 180-185lbs today.Just sayin....
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heisenberg
Earl Grey
There is moreTHIS. Music is definitely healing. Even moreso, is the sound of Nature itself. The sounds of a forest or a beach or a breezy night or rain are all sounds that every human would hear regularly. Our bodies are tuned to it for a number of reasons. But if you live in a city or an area devoid of wildlife and greenery, you will feel depression. Dont have a fancy noise generator? Fine...try Ecosounds here: http://en.ecosounds.net/ There is no registration, just go there and pick your scenario. The web page has volume controls for each sound element (except the beach one
Music is great therapy.
That second video you posted with Will Smith in it was new for me. I had never seen it. Powerful! I am going to store it on my phone.
As for music, the commercial stuff is shit. Well, the current wave of commercial music. Underground Rap can be very poetic and same thing applies to all other forms of music too. Commercial music in general is like a bad stereotype. It makes that style look bad, just like all other forms of stereotypes in other areas too.
I also don't mind dancing to music. It brings joy, happiness and people are having a good time instead of killing each other or harming each other.
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