Malaysian Airline Plane Shot down by a missile

heisenberg

Earl Grey
London: A Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine, after being brought down by a missile.

Bodies and burning wreckage were scattered over the countryside near Donetsk. On board the flight were 280 passengers and 15 crew. There are no known survivors.


Emergencies Ministry members work at the site of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane crash in the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region. Photo: Reuters

Some eyewitnesses reported the plane had exploded in the air before falling to the ground. US intelligence officials confirmed to American media that a surface-to-air missile brought down the airline. However, which side used the missile was less clear, officials said.

Ukraine officials and anti-Russian activists claimed it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile launched by pro-Russian separatists, with one media report blaming Russian-backed Cossack militants. Reports in Russian media pointed to the Ukrainian military.

Freelance journalist Noah Sneider, at the crash site, reported: "Locals say everything exploded in the air, fell in pieces, both bodies and plane itself. People thought they were being bombed."
Blind people. Who the hell recruited these idiots?

http://www.theage.com.au/world/mala...ar-russian-border-reports-20140718-zu9p2.html
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
it's a replay of the soviets shooting down a KAL in 1983! these guys need to be taught to read radar! :P
Reagan had a lot to say:
 

YJ02

Well Known GateFan
The problem appears to be that they have local ya-hoos operating an advanced anti aircraft system that was either captured from the UKR Army or "donated" by Russia. It takes awhile to train on one of these things, learning all of the methods for id of aircraft, friend or foe interrogators, and the general technicalities of the system

((Incidentally, if this was an accident (which I am not convinced of) it is an excellent example of how/why a draft here or in any nation will not work in modern armies. Though these guys are volunteers they are not formally trained on the system. In the US Army, to get an MOS on a system like this (like PATRIOT or THAAD missile) one needs an excellent general tech score and a great score in things like paragraph comprehension. The training for it is about 12 weeks long, but operators still continue to train on it after they get to their unit-as with all jobs, this is where you get your actual expertise.))

I believe that this was a deliberate act ordered by Putin-or someone close to him- in an attempt to greatly upset the EU and to further delineate the "major powers" of the world into 2 distinct poles/camps. Thereby re-establishing a cold war footing, it was in this type of atmosphere that Putin learned his craft and thrived as a kgb officer.

Of course he probably didn't count on the airplane being from an Islamic nation and even though many of the passengers were europeans, the mere fact that it was a malaysian aircraft will be enough fodder for islamic extremists in Dagestan and Chechnya as well as Al-Q to re-fire their struggle against Russia.

As of about a half hour ago, the crash site is being guarded by rebel militia and a battalion of Russian Cossack "volunteers" (who unashamedly let all know they are FROM RUSSIA). It will be interesting to see if they let in UKR accident investigators or anyone from the EU.

They have left all the bodies and body parts lay were they landed and have reportedly removed the flight recorders into Russian hands.

This could turn into a big deal...
 

YJ02

Well Known GateFan
it's a replay of the soviets shooting down a KAL in 1983! these guys need to be taught to read radar! :P
Reagan had a lot to say:

The Russians have shown on two occasions (they shot down another Korean pass plane in 1969 or so)that they have the "stomach" to shoot civies out of the sky. They have little to no moral reservations as we in the west do.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
The Russians have no qualms about subjugating and massacring their own people so anyone expecting remorse from them over this is a fool.
 

YJ02

Well Known GateFan
It would not surprise me at all, if they buried all the bodies in a mass, unmarked grave.

The way the militias are acting "guarding" the site is in a way that guards their actions rather then the plane or the bodies
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If the EU had any balls, they should drop a couple of airborne units into the area to secure the site and push out, kill or capture the rebels. Allow investigators and ppl to recover the dead-then leave.

Of course, they do not have the courage or will to do this. At the least, they should send in some fighter-bombers to draw a "lock" from any anti aircraft emplacements then destroy the launchers.

If this had happened to a Russia airliner in a nation bordering Russia, they would have used it to launch a few scale invasion
 
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Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
they've looted the bodies already according to reports! :( ghouls!
 

YJ02

Well Known GateFan
I am not saying that anyone should go to "war" over this, but just WHAT will it take exactly for nations of the EU to do ANYTHING more than words? There citizens have been slaughtered, their bodies left to rot for days, then stacked in train cars. Their property stolen off their bodies and luggage.

Investigators and Dutch officials are not being let in--at least not yet, while Ukrainian fireman appear to be talking about how swell a found "black box" would look on Ivan's mantle.

Europeans criticize the US for being over zealous and violent, but the EU are way to under zealous and filled with the seeming inability to act. They are so afraid to do anything forceful, its like the kid who is bullied and then forced to say "thanks for hitting me". They remind me a lot of SERENITY when the firefly crew went to that dead world--miranda was it?--and found the recording saying that the population had become so placid that they just sat down and died.

Putin does not care about words and "demands", he is a classic current day example of the dispossessed (from their perspective) European man of the east. Russians have long felt this way in their quest for warm water ports and inclusion into the ways of Europe. They did anything they could for attention, Putin will do the same.

His goal, I am pretty sure, is to cut off Russia and his new "eurasian union/shanghai pact" group of nations from the rest of the world, creating a new "eastern bloc" of nations and a new cold war. They have put the economic necessities into place awhile back now. The hard part is here; that is to make the rest of the world mad enough to call for a 'freeze out" of Russia from globalization and cooperation. What he wants.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
they've looted the bodies already according to reports! :( ghouls!

Not surprising in the least. Third World scum wearing modern clothes. That's pretty much what you got over there.
 

Tripler

Well Known GateFan
How sad ,,, I feel tears coming though I knew none of these people ... Air flight is one of mans greatest achievements yet here we are again ,,, ...
 

Jim of WVa

Well Known GateFan
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/mh17-victim’s-credit-cards-used-after-crash-says-report

news.malaysia.msn.com said:
MH17 victim’s credit cards used after crash, says report
The wife of a Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 victim was stunned when she saw that her husband's credit cards were being used after the  plane crashed in Ukraine last week, the Daily Mail reported. Cameron Dalziel's wife Reine has since cancelled her husband's credit cards upon noticing activity in his account, her brother told CNN. Cameron...
 
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