Free Scotland!?!??!
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Gatefan1976
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It happens tomorrow. The polls are pretty tight, but currently the vote for independence has a narrow margin of being more likely.
Gatefan1976
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She will take her rightful place as queen!!
Gatefan1976
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I have actually been chatting to a scot about this over the last month or so (they are all for independence), but it will be a messy affair, with some pretty strange outcomes if it does come to pass.
The Britts have flat out said they will not be allowed to use the pound, so they will need new currency
The Union Jack will have to change (which will affect everywhere that uses the union jack still)
The Scots want all British nukes out of Scotland, and the Britts have no where to put them.
Scotland is a huge contributor UK wealth and their leaving would cause more than a few economic issues for the rest of the UK
If they go independent, they will have to forge new trading agreements with everyone as a small nation with all the attendant downsides of that - OR join the EU.
And that's just the surface of things.........
It will be an interesting few days to be sure.
The Britts have flat out said they will not be allowed to use the pound, so they will need new currency
The Union Jack will have to change (which will affect everywhere that uses the union jack still)
The Scots want all British nukes out of Scotland, and the Britts have no where to put them.
Scotland is a huge contributor UK wealth and their leaving would cause more than a few economic issues for the rest of the UK
If they go independent, they will have to forge new trading agreements with everyone as a small nation with all the attendant downsides of that - OR join the EU.
And that's just the surface of things.........
It will be an interesting few days to be sure.
ParagonPie
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I say good for Scotland.. Ireland should be doing the same.
Ireland, the Republic of Ireland has been free for a century now. Northern Ireland on the other hand, the UK puts so much money that if they did leave or rejoin with Ireland, they'd be utterly screwed over.
Rac80
The Belle of the Ball
I understand the EU has said they won't let an independent scotland join http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/11/scotland-lord-wallace-european-union_n_4425345.html
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
That's not exactly what it says nor what would happen. A newly independent Scotland would have to go through the same procedure as any other country wishing to join the EU. Even the statement that the "EU will play hardball" is misleading. The pro-independence ilk in Scotland were sold on the idea that Scotland would simply slide into the EU no questions asked.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
makes one wonder if the USA would be as mellow over possible seccession? they weren't the last time
If states secede it would castrate the United States' global dominance. And, if you think states will band together to form some sort of common military force without a federal system, you're dreaming. When states are left to their own devices, they bicker like spoiled children and get nothing done.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/07/31/neighbors-in-south-bicker-over-water/
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
You confuse global respect with global dominance. We are clowns with big guns and lots of financial bullying power.
A few things would need to happen for us to be stripped of our global dominance.
1- All foreign countries would need to divest themselves of ALL American assets
2- Completely drop the US Dollar as the global trade currency
3- Dump all US Dollar holdings
4- Reduce trade with the US
5- Withdrawal or forced expulsion of all US forces present on foreign soil
This would deal a significant blow to our dominance. We would still be left with our big guns but, at that point, we'd simply become Russia.
shavedape
Well Known GateFan
makes one wonder if the USA would be as mellow over possible seccession? they weren't the last time
With the way we're more socially and culturally fragmented these days I don't see how there could be a "mellow" secession anywhere in this country. It would never happen via constitutional means (federal Congress has to agree to it, not just the state(s) congress it's happening in).
And other talk of secession isn't really about secession, it's about revolution, which ain't gonna go well for the idiots who try (usually religious whack jobs that want to build their own enclaves).
Jim of WVa
Well Known GateFan
You confuse global respect with global dominance. We are clowns with big guns and lots of financial bullying power.
A few things would need to happen for us to be stripped of our global dominance.
1- All foreign countries would need to divest themselves of ALL American assets
2- Completely drop the US Dollar as the global trade currency
3- Dump all US Dollar holdings
4- Reduce trade with the US
5- Withdrawal or forced expulsion of all US forces present on foreign soil
This would deal a significant blow to our dominance. We would still be left with our big guns but, at that point, we'd simply become Russia.
Obama is working on all of those. Give him a freak'n chance.
I wonder if Rac and Jim (and perhaps Yongjin) realize that their views are now represented by the political FRINGE rather than the mainstream? If you are Tea Party, you are fringe. If you are right wing, you are fringe. If you are a prepper, in a militia, or a multiple gun owner, you are fringe. And if you live in a rural area, you are LITERALLY on the fringe.
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Obama has no ability to influence anything on that list, Jim. Excuses, excuses, blame, blame.
Okay, there have been almost 6 years of Obama, so where is Martial Law, the FEMA death camps, Obamacare Death Panels, his revelation of being a "secret Muslim", citizen disarmament, abolishing term limits, white slavery and crack whore parties in the White House?
ParagonPie
Well Known GateFan
So Scotland has decided to stay in the UK. One thing though that has confused the hell out of me.
Looking at the BBC News website you'll see. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides
Look at the Yes and No. Now look at the Picture http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/235/media/images/77706000/jpg/_77706542_signs_pa.jpg
On the website it said, 55% Said Yes 45% Said No.
The question keeps changing. First it was should Scotland be Independent Yes or No (because the picture shows the Yes with the Scottish colours on it, an the No with a more Unionist colour) , now its Should Scotland remain in the UK, Yes or No. I'm confused Mr BBC, can you at least stick to the original question please.
Looking at the BBC News website you'll see. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides
Look at the Yes and No. Now look at the Picture http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/235/media/images/77706000/jpg/_77706542_signs_pa.jpg
On the website it said, 55% Said Yes 45% Said No.
The question keeps changing. First it was should Scotland be Independent Yes or No (because the picture shows the Yes with the Scottish colours on it, an the No with a more Unionist colour) , now its Should Scotland remain in the UK, Yes or No. I'm confused Mr BBC, can you at least stick to the original question please.
You confuse global respect with global dominance. We are clowns with big guns and lots of financial bullying power.
A few things would need to happen for us to be stripped of our global dominance.
1- All foreign countries would need to divest themselves of ALL American assets
2- Completely drop the US Dollar as the global trade currency
3- Dump all US Dollar holdings
4- Reduce trade with the US
5- Withdrawal or forced expulsion of all US forces present on foreign soil
This would deal a significant blow to our dominance. We would still be left with our big guns but, at that point, we'd simply become Russia.
THIS. The US has global dominance because of the US dollar. Every western (and eastern except Russia) fiat money system is based on it, including the Yuen. The International Monetary Fund is US dollar based. The corporations of the US own the infrastructures of many nations in South America and Africa. Most of this has been accomplished at gunpoint. As you said, we have our big guns (and especially our nukes), and we are waving them around as we "suggest" things to other nations. If they whine, we cock the guns and "suggest" again.
Things will change when another nation (likely China) gets BIGGER guns.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
Obama has no ability to influence anything on that list, Jim. Excuses, excuses, blame, blame.
Okay, there have been almost 6 years of Obama, so where is Martial Law, the FEMA death camps, Obamacare Death Panels, his revelation of being a "secret Muslim", citizen disarmament, abolishing term limits, white slavery and crack whore parties in the White House?
All coming after the mid terms..