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Overmind One

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THIS IS PURE TRUTH. I will watch that. :) It is about time they did one of these. I liked Super Size Me, but it focused on fast food (specifically McDonalds) instead of sugar. it also did not show how complicit the government is in allowing so many unhealthy foods to be sold in stores. I am starting to think they WANT a generation of sick people, so they can profit on the illnessess caused by sugar poisoned foods and poor exercise.
 

Overmind One

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Another one...


Im getting this movie. :)
 

YJ02

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THIS IS PURE TRUTH. I will watch that. :) It is about time they did one of these. I liked Super Size Me, but it focused on fast food (specifically McDonalds) instead of sugar. it also did not show how complicit the government is in allowing so many unhealthy foods to be sold in stores. I am starting to think they WANT a generation of sick people, so they can profit on the illnessess caused by sugar poisoned foods and poor exercise.

bolded= or a liberal move to make everyone call for govt run single payer health care for everyone--one more way to intrude into ppl's lives

but yes, few ppl actually know or take the time to investigate just what it is they are eating. The govt should never be trusted in our running of the food supply chain--they hardly ever actually inspect foods, they just inspect and certify the production process (ex: do you think that every egg has been inspected and graded?) To make matters worse, the FDA/USDA usually allows plants/companies/farms to self inspect--I am sure that this is actually done (yeah right!) by employees. Do really think that Joe Schmo is going to endanger his job by shutting the line down so he can inspect to USDA standards? No way!

As to the sugar and any other "market insurance" to make ppl crave and buy a product, that is where education comes in. From parents, schools and elsewhere--if we are educated properly on what choices to make then more ppl would most likely make those choices (given a fairly priced market). If they don't then its on them (their bad health that is)
 

Overmind One

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bolded= or a liberal move to make everyone call for govt run single payer health care for everyone--one more way to intrude into ppl's lives

but yes, few ppl actually know or take the time to investigate just what it is they are eating. The govt should never be trusted in our running of the food supply chain--they hardly ever actually inspect foods, they just inspect and certify the production process (ex: do you think that every egg has been inspected and graded?) To make matters worse, the FDA/USDA usually allows plants/companies/farms to self inspect--I am sure that this is actually done (yeah right!) by employees. Do really think that Joe Schmo is going to endanger his job by shutting the line down so he can inspect to USDA standards? No way!

As to the sugar and any other "market insurance" to make ppl crave and buy a product, that is where education comes in. From parents, schools and elsewhere--if we are educated properly on what choices to make then more ppl would most likely make those choices (given a fairly priced market). If they don't then its on them (their bad health that is)

When you look at the system in place for food production and SALES (note, I did not say distribution), you see the reasons to package it as a product. You have to make that product last long enough to sell it, and you have to make it appealing enough for people to buy the product. That means you process it and "enhance" it with sugars as well as preservatives, and you have to pay for packaging, distribution, advertising, management, employees, etc. Your eggs are FREE! They are free of garbage feed, they are free of machines and dirty workers handling the chickens, and you actually know the chickens personally. I wish I had that. Do you occasionally take a chicken as a meal? I think I would do that for an older hen.
 

YJ02

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When you look at the system in place for food production and SALES (note, I did not say distribution), you see the reasons to package it as a product. You have to make that product last long enough to sell it, and you have to make it appealing enough for people to buy the product. That means you process it and "enhance" it with sugars as well as preservatives, and you have to pay for packaging, distribution, advertising, management, employees, etc. Your eggs are FREE! They are free of garbage feed, they are free of machines and dirty workers handling the chickens, and you actually know the chickens personally. I wish I had that. Do you occasionally take a chicken as a meal? I think I would do that for an older hen.

A few yrs back we tried eating a few extra roosters and a hen or 2, but they are not worth the effort. Egg layers put most of their protein and calories into making the eggs consistently and by the time they are about a yr old, they are very tough

There is not very much meat and they are pretty much are only edible if you slow cook them at a low boil for about 6 hrs. It is also quite a hassle cleaning a chicken--especially for one with arthritic fingers

The main reason there is an 'industrial' egg and chicken meat industry now is because of refrigeration. We are one of the only nations that refrigerates eggs long term--most everyone else keeps their eggs out in the ambient temps with produce as they do not have an over abundance of eggs and they get eaten fairly quick

Refrigeration spurred production glut which in turn spurred an 'interest' in eating more chicken which then caused the use of growth hormone and antibiotics to "beef up" the chickens --the chicken breast you see in a store or restaurant is so entirely engineered through the use of these chemicals

(we only have white eggs as the dominant egg in america because of the first intrepid guy to start mass egg production (i think it was perdue) lived on a farm where they had white egg laying leghorns--white egg layers are the minority in the chicken world)
 

Bluce Ree

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bolded= or a liberal move to make everyone call for govt run single payer health care for everyone--one more way to intrude into ppl's lives

I don't understand this argument. How does single payer, which would essentially regulate the health industry and do away with gouging, intrude in people's lives?

Before you answer, let me take my $50 pair of over-the-counter 200mg Advils for this mild headache from the $9 tiny paper cup in which they were given to me.

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YJ02

Well Known GateFan
I don't understand this argument. How does single payer, which would essentially regulate the health industry and do away with gouging, intrude in people's lives?

Before you answer, let me take my $50 pair of over-the-counter 200mg Advils for this mild headache from the $9 tiny paper cup in which they were given to me.

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Any govt run program comes with mandated participation in govt run programs.

My acceptance of med care from the VA requires me to (at the minimum) read and check "i agree" that I understand the importance of healthy eating (their suggested menu's for such a program paid for by processed food industry lobbyists), that I will do some type of exercise three times a week, that I will practice safe sex, that I will report any instance of suspected child, spousal or elder abuse, and that I have completed the VA mandated "anti suicide" program

All things well and good and well intentioned--the problem is that to be able to use the benefits (technically) I must unconditionally accept their mandates on my lifestyle.

The same thing would happen in a govt run single payer health program for all

like this :icon_lol:

~~~~~~~AND--The high cost of health care in the US is a direct product of the inflated rates of tuition for undergrads and medical school

I do not believe there is another country that allows its schools to charge so much or holds dr;s in such a high esteem -as if they were gods ("doctor said...." instead of "the dr said..." is one way of this worship practiced)

The worst part of it is that in most places, the professors and other teaching staff--those that do the actual work--have very poor salaries and most of the money made (like funneling student loans and govt grant money into college coffers by 'recruiting' low income students) tends to go to building 'reflective gardens' on campus, posh campus admin (not faculty!) offices and more and more cheap student housing so that they can maximize enrollment

Make tuition for undergrad and med school realistic and then health care costs will go down as well

Many dr's must charge high rates just so they can eat after paying their student loans

But as with so many other things american, we tend to attack the symptoms and the "sickness" of problems rather than the causes
 
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Overmind One

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COKE

I never drink the stuff . Usually just get a sugary goodness of ice tea when out for a snack . I don't like the ice tea either but when you are out and about there are no more water fountains anywhere accept at or city parks . Prefer good ole H2O as often as I can .
Speaking of can , here ,,, drink one of these :) :) :)

http://dailyhealthpost.com/20-pract...-body/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral

I havent had a Coke in many years. Actually, i have not had any sugar sweetened beverages in several years. I have had a sip or two from friends when eating popcorn, but I usually end up getting up to get water and wash that super sweet taste out of my mouth. I do drink carbonated energy drinks like Rockstar Zero, but they have no sugar and no carbs. After so many years without drinking sugary drinks, they taste WAY too sweet to me now. Im drinking 5 liters of water per day, plus at least 2 cups of coffee and sometimes a Rockstar Zero. :)
 

Tripler

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No energy drinks for me . Just a little coffe and water . Had a few beer lately during my vintage bike get togethers and I just felt so ill after drinking them .
On a workout program now . Up at 5:30 am . Bycicle to the gym . It's not even a mike lol but close . I do cardio one day for 15 or 20 mins . Weights the next day . Starting slowly . I also walk my dog twice a day so I get at least another mile or two doing that .
Yup . Drank pop as a kid and my fillings are the proof of that . Like you I can't stand the stuff now .
 

Jim of WVa

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I don't understand this argument. How does single payer, which would essentially regulate the health industry and do away with gouging, intrude in people's lives?

Before you answer, let me take my $50 pair of over-the-counter 200mg Advils for this mild headache from the $9 tiny paper cup in which they were given to me.

76752046.jpg

That is caused by third party paying for health care. If the patient had to directly pay for health care, then $9 paper cups would end immediately.
 

Overmind One

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That is caused by third party paying for health care. If the patient had to directly pay for health care, then $9 paper cups would end immediately.

Yes, that is true. But the idea of Obamacare was to control the costs of healthcare. if it were up to the healthcare industry, we would have to pay for sneezing in the waiting room, for tissues and for the robes and gloves used in medical offices.
 

Jim of WVa

Well Known GateFan
Yes, that is true. But the idea of Obamacare was to control the costs of healthcare. if it were up to the healthcare industry, we would have to pay for sneezing in the waiting room, for tissues and for the robes and gloves used in medical offices.

How? Limit the amount of money doctors can be paid for work, and the hospital raises the cost of something else.
 

Overmind One

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How? Limit the amount of money doctors can be paid for work, and the hospital raises the cost of something else.

EXACTLY. Before Obamacare, they all went unchecked. The hospitals will be addressed soon enough. It is not lost on either party that the healthcare industry is the new cash cow (or so they think). :)
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
Any govt run program comes with mandated participation in govt run programs.

My acceptance of med care from the VA requires me to (at the minimum) read and check "i agree" that I understand the importance of healthy eating (their suggested menu's for such a program paid for by processed food industry lobbyists), that I will do some type of exercise three times a week, that I will practice safe sex, that I will report any instance of suspected child, spousal or elder abuse, and that I have completed the VA mandated "anti suicide" program

All things well and good and well intentioned--the problem is that to be able to use the benefits (technically) I must unconditionally accept their mandates on my lifestyle.

The same thing would happen in a govt run single payer health program for all

Come on, dude. Those are moral checks, just things of which you should be aware. It's a not a mandatory list of shit to which you agreed that will cost you a jail sentence if you go back on any of it. Nobody is going to glue a gov't spook to your ass to make sure you eat healthy just because you checked "I agree".

~~~~~~~AND--The high cost of health care in the US is a direct product of the inflated rates of tuition for undergrads and medical school

Um ... no.

I do not believe there is another country that allows its schools to charge so much or holds dr;s in such a high esteem -as if they were gods ("doctor said...." instead of "the dr said..." is one way of this worship practiced)

The worst part of it is that in most places, the professors and other teaching staff--those that do the actual work--have very poor salaries and most of the money made (like funneling student loans and govt grant money into college coffers by 'recruiting' low income students) tends to go to building 'reflective gardens' on campus, posh campus admin (not faculty!) offices and more and more cheap student housing so that they can maximize enrollment

Schooling should be partly subsidized by government as it is in every other country in the world. Only foreign students should have to foot the full bill for their studies.

Make tuition for undergrad and med school realistic and then health care costs will go down as well

Nope.

Many dr's must charge high rates just so they can eat after paying their student loans

Also ... no.
 

Bluce Ree

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Atlantis

Well Known GateFan
Well I haven't had a single sugary drink for years now and I am still struggling to lose fat. With all of the things I have done, which were eat a lot of vegetables exercise regularly.

The only processed food is protein powder but that's for recovery the rest of my food comes from eating vegetables and quinoa.

I think it's very hard to stop people it's like cigarettes it is like an addiction once you crave it you can't really stop and let's face it the human race is too stubborn to give it away, we are too spoiled.
 
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