"CPT Kirk's" plan to save California from its water crisis

[YJ02]

Shatner has a plan--wants to kickstart for $30 Billion to build a 4ft water pipeline from Seattle to Lake Mead

obviously it would have to be engineered and spec'd out and theorized on by "experts"

but-the real question is, if Shatner did raise the 30B, would the politicians let it happen or do they see a drought stricken CA as being in their political interest instead?

and, this project would be far cleaner and cheaper then building the water desal plants they have on the table
-and may I say, I am glad I live in a humid continental climate and I really like to be able to water my gardens when I need to at no charge :encouragement: i would never live in a semi arid area where man was never meant to live on the scale that he does now--but anyhow...


https://www.yahoo.com/tech/exclusive-william-shatners-30-billion-116672789084.html

 

[shavedape]

$30 billion would be a drop in the bucket (pardon the water-related pun) for what would be required to get something like this to happen.

 

[Gate_Boarder]

Unless things have changed, Seattle undergoes 'water conservation' every summer, so our dear friend Shatner might have over estimated the Seattilites ability to deliver.

Thirty billion? Again I think he needs to sharpen his pencil on that one.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Seattle has its own droughts on occasion. During the early 1990's, Seattle had a drought that resulted in severe limitations on navigation and other users. An employee of the Seattle District of the US Army Corps of Engineers drew a cartoon that had a ship resting on dry land while trying to navigate a lock. A character in the cartoon mentioned that if it did not rain soon, then King County residents would soon have to turn off their lawn sprinklers.

A drought is anytime water supplies do not meet water demand. Purchasing water from Seattle is not a solution when Seattle is in a drought. People do not want to sell their water to outsiders when they do not have enough water to meet local demand. At best, the water might be purchased at some outrageous price like $0.25/gallon. At that price, it would be cheaper for Californians to build another water supply reservoir.

During the middle ages, California had a drought that lasted two hundred years.

West Virginia is not in such a drought. I like to pee in the shower anyway.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Long California droughts:

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_24993601/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more

Megadroughts:

North America experienced at least four megadroughts during the Medieval Warm Period.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/09/02/california-megadrought/14446195/

 

[YJ02]

$30 billion would be a drop in the bucket (pardon the water-related pun) for what would be required to get something like this to happen.

Unless things have changed, Seattle undergoes 'water conservation' every summer, so our dear friend Shatner might have over estimated the Seattilites ability to deliver.

Thirty billion? Again I think he needs to sharpen his pencil on that one.

Well he is like a 100 yrs old so maybe he is calculating in 1950's Canadian dollars?

I don't think coming down from ANYWHERE west of the Rockies is a good idea

I have read online awhile back (another one of T Boone Picken's ideas I think) to build a series of pipelines from about where the Ohio washes into the Mississippi and down through Okla and Tx through the Swest and then into Southern Cali

it would get its majority of water from the Miss (all of that rain water from us up here that goes into the Ohio), leave off some through irrigation ditches and then also be "refilled" en route from the mtns of New Mexico and Arizona

Don't know what is the best answer
but I do know that no one is going to abandon either the SW or Southern Cali en masse so SOMETHING will have to be done

 

[shavedape]

Bite the bullet and start building some de-sal plants.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Speaking of drought, the DRUDGE REPORT had this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...h-water-has-same-effect-as-drink-driving.html

Not drinking enough water has same effect as drink driving
Motorists who are dehydrated make twice as many mistakes, a study reveals

 

[YJ02]

Bite the bullet and start building some de-sal plants.

desal is quite expensive and uses a lot of energy to run one plant for the amount of water derived

also creates a lot of salt and other minerals which cannot just simply be put back into the ocean (hell, most east coast cities--run by liberals--won't even dump the plowed street snow into the ocean for fear of adding the salt from the street!)

lots of nations do de-sal already but they don't have the same amount of hand wringers and enviro-worriers as we do

cost for one yr at one plant

its cheaper to pray for rain

 

[YJ02]

one Mississippi plan:

""The mighty Mississippi

In the Mississippi River scenario, 675,000 acre-feet of water would be diverted from the nation's largest river downstream of where it meets up with the Ohio River. From there, the water would be conveyed via tunnel, canal and a monstrous pipe 775 miles long and 144 inches in diameter to dump into the Navajo River in southwestern Colorado.

The Navajo would then deliver that water to the San Juan River, a tributary of the Colorado River, for use by agricultural users in Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico. Those users would then be taken off the Colorado system and the savings in water would flow downstream to other cities that need to grow in the future....""

from: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-mighty-Mississippi-save-the-West.html?pg=all

 

[Gate_Boarder]

Well he is like a 100 yrs old so maybe he is calculating in 1950's Canadian dollars?

I don't think coming down from ANYWHERE west of the Rockies is a good idea ... Don't know what is the best answer

but I do know that no one is going to abandon either the SW or Southern Cali en masse so SOMETHING will have to be done

Building dams for electro power seems to be very unpopular, so I expect that building collection points for water exportation would be really unpopular, especially when the drought conditions have slowly expanded during these last few years.

The nuts, fruit and vegetable growers of California will just have to curtail some of their growing as I don't see the ordinary person wanting to cut back on their water intake, now, and in the future.

 

[YJ02]

Building dams for electro power seems to be very unpopular, so I expect that building collection points for water exportation would be really unpopular, especially when the drought conditions have slowly expanded during these last few years.

The nuts, fruit and vegetable growers of California will just have to curtail some of their growing as I don't see the ordinary person wanting to cut back on their water intake, now, and in the future.

all of that Ag production needs to come back to where it should be--in the East.

one of the only reasons it exists in Cali is because ppl could get cheap or free land there at a time when eastern lands were in high demand and quite expensive-or just plain old polluted from heavy industry
there are now millions of acres of unused ag land all over the eastern side of the US where there is plenty of water, no earthquakes and no wildfires

 

[Tripler]

I heard that 60% of the food we eat comes from California ...
Wow huh !!!

I did not know that ...

 

[Overmind One]

Building dams for electro power seems to be very unpopular, so I expect that building collection points for water exportation would be really unpopular, especially when the drought conditions have slowly expanded during these last few years.

The nuts, fruit and vegetable growers of California will just have to curtail some of their growing as I don't see the ordinary person wanting to cut back on their water intake, now, and in the future.

The Central Valley farming collectives are the ones sucking up all the damned water. Los Angeles is being forced to curtail water consumption and paying fines because of the growers. Hows about they ramp down production and allow some of the other growing states to take up the slack? We are feeding most of the nation, but allowing other farms to ramp up production to ease things up is not a bad idea.

I heard that 60% of the food we eat comes from California ...
Wow huh !!!

I did not know that ...

I knew it was up there somewhere. The humungous farm collectives we have here are mostly owned by Con-Agra, and they are the reason illlegal immigrants come here to work and live. The market for food is not shrinking, but the amount produced in California and exported is increasing with the population of illegal immigrants. More crops, more water used and the whining of "drought".

 

[YJ02]

The Central Valley farming collectives are the ones sucking up all the damned water. Los Angeles is being forced to curtail water consumption and paying fines because of the growers. Hows about they ramp down production and allow some of the other growing states to take up the slack? We are feeding most of the nation, but allowing other farms to ramp up production to ease things up is not a bad idea.

like I said--the eastern half of the nation is more then capable of replacing Cali's ag industry. there is plenty of water and still (despite all the housing units that have gone up) plenty of land. with modern methods, smaller amounts of land can produce what formerly took up greater patches

In PA, a very signif portion of our summer and fall tomatoes comes from within PA--even Walmart carries them

PA,NY, VA, and other eastern states also grow a lot of corn-so much that a lot of it is used for heating in bio mass burners when it could have been used for food or food production