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The Science of Star Trek vs the Magic of Star Wars - the 10 Year Flame War!
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Don't forget in "Star Trek Into Darkness", near the beginning they actually talked about "freezing" a volcano with Cold Fusion.....as if the name Cold Fusion meant it made things cold.
OMG Joe, rewatching STID is an exercise in puzzle solving! Soooo maaaaanny things wrong.
. I have seen it maybe 6 times total? I watched the 2009 movie at least 10 times before I could no longer rewatch it, and I think I have reached my limit with STID at 6 times (I have seen Pacific Rim and Oblivion at least 20 times each). From the portable transwarp unit to Kahn and his seemingly 29th century tech. 
I would never even attempt to defend any of the NuTrek movies against people who claim they are fantasy-sci full of magic disguised as science.
Now, they want to take it into the action/adventure realm and turn it into explodey-Trek? I think Star Wars has won this war to this point. 
I just get a chuckle remembering that Abrams actually wound up apologizing for STID. Of course, he also needed to flat out admit that he should have vetoed a lot of Damon Lindelof's writing choices for the film (magic blood, transwarp beaming, British Khan). They left their Trek universe in a mess.
Hopefully studios at least learned never to employ Damon Lindelof to write any sort of serious film.
Hopefully studios at least learned never to employ Damon Lindelof to write any sort of serious film.
Yep.
The bolded part is the problem. How do you fix all of the blunders and set things straight? You would have to do the same thing the Abrams did to create his dumb new universe....create an alternate timeline AGAIN, or go back to the original timeline. Abrams would never do that one. I think that the new series being developed by CBS in the prime universe is Star Trek's best hope for a bright future. The small screen is the home of Star Trek, not the movie screen. 
I think that if the CBS series takes off with Trek fans and new fans, it will revive the excitement and enthusiasm fans have for Star Trek and lay down a reason for the movie franchise to reboot yet again. A good scenario would be to leave the new Enterprise cast in the new timeline and let them play that out. Abrams never understood that Star Trek does not necessarily mean Kirk and Spock and NCC-1701. It does mean having Vulcans and Romulans and Klingons and warp drive and transporters and shields and deflector dishes on the fronts of large starships. I found that during rewatches, I had a hard time remembering that there was a Chekov and a Sulu in the cast. Uhura is very attractive, but in these Abrams movies she is just a groupie BFF. Scotty is horrible. Karl Urban has McCoy down pat, but both Kirk and Spock are just too different from the originals. We don't need Kirk or Spock or Scotty or Dr McCoy anymore.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
OMG Joe, rewatching STID is an exercise in puzzle solving! Soooo maaaaanny things wrong.
That abbreviation looks like STD at a glance.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
Actually, this sort of tech would more likely be used in Star Trek than Star Wars. Why? Because there is science backing it up and that science would be used in Star Trek and explained as well (at some point). Every device in Star Trek gets an explanation at some point or another, even if the explanation is lame. Star Wars never explains anything you see in the SW movies. The prequels tried to start on that path, but the fantasy fans of the franchise rejected them violently. Midichlorians (mitochondrions) as sentient symbiants is an interesting concept. Every living being has mitochondrions in their cells, and they are symbiotic organelles which were (evidently) separate organisms at one point. What if they could communicate with each other?
As far as this tech, it is more similar to holodeck tech in Star trek than anything in Star Wars, IMO.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
There is space in my world for both Trek's "Science" and star war's "magic"....am currently watching farscape- a good blend of the two.
I like it too, but only when that is what is laid out on the table first! I knew from the getgo that Star Wars was fantasy, and the same with Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Batman vs Superman. But when you tell me something is science, and I see a witch or an elf, then that pisses me off. Farscape never pretended to be science fiction...not really. I loved Scorpius in that show.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
There is space in my world for both Trek's "Science" and star war's "magic"....am currently watching farscape- a good blend of the two.
Still one of my all-time favorite shows!
Agreed. And it was even ended well as "the Peacekeeper Wars" wrapped everything up properly.
It was a one-off, like Firefly. Without the original cast, I don't think you could pull it off again as a reboot.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
The show can still hold its own by today's standards. There's no reason to reboot it.
Loved that article! Sounds like it was written by a Vulcan.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
Loved that article! Sounds like it was written by a Vulcan.
The writer(s) is missing something though. on at least one issue-the senate
they presume that the member worlds have sep nations on each of their planets--not the case--each world has entered into the republic/trade alliance and then to the empire as a unified planet--like ST's federation
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
Sounds like a total wank fest.
